To TWI on your reputation, and paid weapons DLC

[Gregs2k2]

Some comments are valid, others are just borderline trolling and flamebaite and for that reason alone i'll be keeping a close eye on threads that are just a mish mash of crap, then i'll close them if needs be.

From the OTT reactions, you'd think TW had killed a thousand bunnies with a spoon. Slowly.

 

[infntnub]

To the rabid players/OP, was it not that long ago that TWI were getting hailed for supporting modders for their work? And now that they're doing it, you're turning YOUR back on that concept? How is that no different?

You want them to be supported, but you don't want to have to do it from your own pocket? You just want an indie dev to pull funds from their respective wallets?

I think anyone who is crying out for double standards and integrity should take a look at themselves before whining in such a pathetic manner. TWI has only done EXACTLY what they said they'd do many many months ago. It was a good idea then, and it's a good idea now. TWI have not backed on this, and they're still supporting budding modders in a way that no developers have. If you think this isn't conducive to a great tie between gamers, modders, and developers, then I think you've got a few screws loose.

No matter what, a game developer cannot please everyone. The portion of the population that is unpleased is always certain to be vocal about it (whether or not their logic is rational is debateable).

I'm at the point I've concluded those against the new DLC are just being frugal. Anyone that lives in a home with an internet connection should have no issues finding a way to acquire $4. In the same breath anyone that truly enjoys the game, Killing Floor, would spend the money without hesitation even without reading into what the updates were. The DLC has always been very reasonably priced; and even if it's a bit on the high side for a player the sales come around so often it's pretty much a non-issue. Even if you're not a fan of the concept of DLC weapons, if you play the game you're likely a fan of the game itself - any fan should be more than happy to contribue a few dollars to add a few more options to their overall gaming experience while simultaneously supporting the developer/moderators/community.

Kudos for your post; always happy to see someone else exercising logical thought on this board (it's been rare lately.. very rare).

From the OTT reactions, you'd think TW had killed a thousand bunnies with a spoon. Slowly.

Lol.. sad but true.

 

[Vlad Tepes.pt]

Weapons DLC

Weapons DLC

Sorry for my english,but I think that many people against the weapons pais DLC are retarded .

I'm portuguese and my country is in bankrupt like Greece and Ireland.
We have FMI and EU support to live and I bought the new DLC's (Chickenator and Weapons) and i'm not claiming.

Tripwire and the guys that developed the 4 weapons deserve the money.

KF is a real good and FUN game and they deserve our support.

2.99 euros for a great pack of 4 weapons it's a bargain .

Only small kids want everthing for free.
I'm 43 years old,live in a poor country and I'm not claiming all the time.
So...for the kids that are claiming against paid weapons DLC...grow up.

Life is Hard,but I buy all KF DLC's with pleasure.
Now I'm waiting for the Christmas Event .

 

[SPTX]

Not because you can afford something means that you must or even should buy it.

Ethics are broken. Period. There is no apology for this.

 

[sah]

8 bucks for the pack is not a completely unreasonable price, it's just that there's plenty of games (indie and classic alike) that cost just that and aren't just a small weapon pack. I'd like to see the base price dropped a bit. I think plenty of people will buy it still.

 

[ChairmanMurder[Forge]]

From the OTT reactions, you'd think TW had killed a thousand bunnies with a spoon. Slowly.

A spoon? But why not an axe?

 

[braindead]

I am so confused at the responses of this DLC.

My hat is well off to both TWI and IJC for this, as being a modder, I know full well, that a modder is a want to be game developer just waiting for a chance.
This is their chance, please don't spoil it for them.

Ok, at first I was taken a back a little and a little jealous but the more I think about it, the happier I am for them.

No game company will take a modder seriously, unless they prove their determination, talent and have a decent portfolio to show.
and to have a portfolio, requires at least an 'official' release of a mod and in this case, it is just that.
Plus, it is THEIR time they are spending to produce stuff for the community.

From my own experience, this is very hard to do, with juggling real life, work etc, so why not make a little money out of it?

 

[FDRs Legs]

It is not the charging for weapons that is causing this stir. It is the fact that these weapons have stats attributed to them that do not have a 1 to 1 equivalent in the vanilla version of the game.

I am sure TWI retains the rights to modify the stats on these weapons as needed.

IJC's accomplishments are the models, animations, and sounds of the weapons. These can be simply placed to overlap over existing weapons. Every weapon in the Community Weapon pack could be set to replace an existing weapon except for the Fire Revolver.

The best solution in my eyes would be to allow owners of the DLC pack to change the model in the main menu such that when they purchased a Claymore everyone in the server could see the user running with a Scythe, Buzzsaw Bow for the Crossbow, and Tommy Gun for the Bullpup.

The stand out is the Fire Revolver and that would require either opening the weapon to everyone or having TWI create a new model, lets call it a fire pistol, that would be available to everyone with a copy of vanilla Killing Floor.

 

[Rafael]

A spoon? But why not an axe?

Alan Rickman - The Sheriff Of Nottingham - YouTube

 

[ChairmanMurder[Forge]]

Yes! Someone got the reference.

 

[Gregs2k2]

It is not the charging for weapons that is causing this stir.

Of course it is, if the pack was free there'd be the usual gripes of balancing, TW would be lavished with praise, as per for another amazing, seasonal update. Not the 100's of posts we've had in the last few days with people complaining.

Money is always a factor. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Amber Glass]

Of course it is, if the pack was free there'd be the usual gripes of balancing, TW would be lavished with praise, as per for another amazing, seasonal update. Not the 100's of posts we've had in the last few days with people complaining.

Money is always a factor. Don't kid yourself.

if it were free, TWI wouldn't have been going back on their previous statement of no paid content DLCs, so yes i agree there wouldn't have been such a stir. Sadly these days it seems everything is about money, and not so much about integrity.

 

[SPTX]

I am so confused at the responses of this DLC.

My hat is well off to both TWI and IJC for this, as being a modder, I know full well, that a modder is a want to be game developer just waiting for a chance.
This is their chance, please don't spoil it for them.

Last time I checked, doing weapons for a game never was a ramp to enter the industry as a full blown studio. Earning some money is a thing, but IJC won't get independent any time soon from that. Not to mention they wouldn't be able to balance something to save their lives.

They have a donate button on their website. Tripwire could have sold something like the stamps from TF2, or anything that was cosmetic. Not gameplay changing tier4/5 weapons.

 

[FDRs Legs]

Forums always attract an innordinate amount of whining, really, it's what they are here for.

If the DLC pack was purely cosmetic, sure you would have individuals who feel they are entitled to the pack regardless. I guarantee you however that it would not be anywhere near the level you see right now. At least many more people would be right along with you Gregs2k2, calling the complainers entitled since it would still be keeping in accordance with the policies TWI put in place at the start.

Charging for gameplay altering DLC and then trying to dismiss it simply because the content was originally created by someone else merits the outrage you see today.

 

[Z3RO]

Last time I checked, doing weapons for a game never was a ramp to enter the industry as a full blown studio

They might not become a full studio over night but it does allow them to have the their foot in the door. Most 3d artist usually work on mod teams to build up their portfolios, then apply for major studios. Also there are plenty of mod teams who started out doing mod work then became full blown developers. Like Tripwire, who started out as a mod team.

I love how people feel so entitled to things. Killing Floor came out 3 years ago back in 2009. Most developers would have stopped supporting the game after 9 months, yet Tripwire has constantly added TONS of FREE content to the game over the years. They add a paid weapon pack made by MODDERS to show their support for the people who keep the game fresh and alive, and everyone starts complaining about how they're nickel and diming them or how they will no longer support Tripwire.

I don't know about you guys but I paid 20 bucks for KF and I've gotten way more then my moneys worth over the years. So thanks Tripwire for all the free content and updates you've provided us over the years. I'll be looking forward to KF2 and Rising Storm.

 

[Spicy]

TripW

 

[Tabrias]

Of course it is, if the pack was free there'd be the usual gripes of balancing, TW would be lavished with praise, as per for another amazing, seasonal update. Not the 100's of posts we've had in the last few days with people complaining.

Money is always a factor. Don't kid yourself.

Seriously? Good job totally ignoring his point. The next sentence:

It is not the charging for weapons that is causing this stir. It is the fact that these weapons have stats attributed to them that do not have a 1 to 1 equivalent in the vanilla version of the game.

Also, surprised no one has pointed this out yet:

This is another step (along with the work on Steam workshop) towards rewarding the people who make stuff like this, so that MORE people will be attracted to make MORE stuff for you to play with. Thousands of people have already voted with their wallets to push money through to the community members who put the months in (and it has been months - we're very particular about quality) to make this for you. 10s of people are getting all bent out of shape about "pay to win" and "pulling an EA" - neither of which make any sense.

/endrant

Translation: There will be more of this.

 

[Althamus]

I really don't understand why the weapons weren't just cosmetic changes.

Selling skins is what TWI do, and I presume they make pretty decent money off it since they've been doing it for a good few years now and haven't gone broke.

Reskinning the weapons would be awesome and in-line with what they've done before, and would have had near-no backlash (with the exception of the Ash debacle, I don't recall seeing any complaints about TWI's skin-selling policy to date).

The problem I see is that a) Once you start selling weapons, it's a very small step to make to selling over-powered weapons (which half the weapons in this pack are anyhow), which brings cries of "pay to win", and b) Once you start selling weapons which divides the community in however small a way, will it lead to map packs etc, which bring a bigger impact on whether people who do and do not pay can play the same game?

What's sad is that there're a load of other people who've jumped on the bandwagon with ridiculous claims that it costs too much or because of the paid DLC, the sun will explode, which just sadly just undermines the real issues.

 

[Zennousha]

The Quoted post has been removed by the Moderator team regards Butch

Look kids, a /v/ parrot.

I'm sure it had something valuable and important to say. Well thought out too!

 

[Gabbakeisen]

The weapons are side-grades (and if we missed something there, we'll tweak them, just like we do with other weapons)

Thankyou Wilsonam, that's all i needed to hear to feel much better about this because they are definately not side-grades atm. Not sure what your going to do about the zerker buzzsaw apart from maybe nerf it to an off perk crossbow tho?