To less Classic Mode Servers!!!!!

[r5cya]

Yes. Why not?

Do you have to play BF to say that it is an arcade shooter? No.
Do you have to play RO2 to say that perks is unrealistic? No.

you're right. i don't have to play those games, to say those things. i'm just not going to go to a cod or bf forum and make a bunch of comments about how the game is, when i really have no idea. if you feel comfortable talking about things you don't really know about, fine. paint yourself any way you want to look.

 

[Coolicus]

Just on the whole realism debate regarding "Realism" mode and "Classic" mode I'll say this.

Whilst I would be able to accept classic mode is on paper less realistic (e.g sway/very hard to hit targets at more than 250 meters/slow movement) I would suggest that it in fact creates, as far as I am concerned, the more authentic experience.

Allow me to elaborate: because you are slow you are less likely to sprint in the open, because it's harder to aim you are more likely to miss and whilst there is no fear of death in game meaning people are prepared to stick their neck out (literally!) in realism mode which they might not take in classic. This isn't because they are afraid to die but because they are less likely to succeed.

I could go on but it's 00.32 for me and I'm up in 5 and a half hours !

TLDR:

I like classic mode but it's okay if you don't!

:IS2:

 

[TrOOper]

It's existence disgust me. You know, I don't judge realistic mode each mode for how fun it is, but how realistic compared to other modes such as classic for example.

hmm, you havent played, yet you know all about it before you do....You then say you dont have to play to know whats it like....why even play then since you already know it disgusts you?..I find it hard to give you any credibility whatsoever....

 

[Mekhazzio]

Play the fucking game before you go on a rant Cypher.

He never did before, why start now?

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

Wasn't this thread about lack of Classic Mode servers?

Right now people discuss realism in Classic VS Realism mode. Which isn't really much to discuss. Vanilla is dumbed down slighly, and so is realistic mode.

If people believe that the Run 'N Gun behaviour in RO2 realistically portray combat - fine. If people believe that unlocks, perks, gadgets, rambo friendly MG, fast paced Run N gun behaviour, 1 second bandaging, lockdown timer, spawn on squad leader, peripheral indicators, kill cam, spawn on squad leader, sprint to istant ironsight, and a lot more similar things, makes the game more realistic and makes the game portray combat in a more authentic and realistic manner than any mode such as classic, - its fine,- it's their beef, but it requires no Einstein to say that they're all wrong.

You obviously haven't played recently.

Lockdown is pretty well gone in most Realism & Action Servers I have played on, Bandaging take a lot longer to apply now, Kill Cam has been removed on all Realism servers I have played on so far and only seen it on a couple of Action Servers, Iron Sights from Sprinting has never been instant and it's not instant now...... and you & others like you going on about how we're all Wrong doesn't make your argument any better than anybody else's since I can easily say you and your views on Classic are just as wrong.

You want less dumbed down gameplay? Play Classic! You want more dumbed down gameplay? Play Realism or even action mode! No one is going to persuade the other by arguing what's more realistic or not because in the end of the day people will play what their ENJOY. This is what accessibility is about. To dumb down and simplify things, and to give people choice and freedom. Which I don't like simply because that's a a great way to fade out a niche community.

I will get a new computer next week. I am going to hit up and play Classic. If it reaches my expectations I'll keep on playing it. If it doesn't I simply don't play it.I still believe though that Classic Mode should be the only mode.

No kidding. You've gone on a holy crusade against RO2 since it's original launch and spammed the forums on how the game isn't like RO1 and how you think the entire thing should be changed to what you like. You even tried to suggest that Realism be scrapped as well as all the other game modes so that there was just one game mode.... Your game mode.

Be there to replace all other modes. In that way there is one game. One community. Less devisions, less debates. That's how RO is supposed to be played imo as a spiritual sequel. In that way everyone who think opposite gets filtered out. Inthat a lot more people will play classic. But I'll see how it all panns out. I will see next week.

Funny how you've gone on for so long to get the game the way you want.... to have a classic game mode that at least meets most of your demands you've been tossing around here since September, yet now that it's here, you haven't bothered to play the beta to try it out & put your input into how you think it should be and now that it's in the actual game, you haven't even tried it there either.

And you're right, there should have only been one game mode..... Realism. But because there was Relaxed Realism and Realism already in RO2 & neither fit your expectations, it opened the door for you to create the divisions and demand the whole game be restructured into how you think it should have been from the start.

Even when the suggestion of another game mode was presented to you months back (so that the majority of the community that didn't agree with you would still have what they like and you get what you like) it still wasn't good enough.

It's all or nothing when it comes to you & when TW & the rest of the community met you halfway by at least giving you a game mode that meets your demands, you never even bothered to try it yet and still go on about how everybody should be forced to play & do as you dictate they should.

Maybe it should have been you and the rest of the minority like you who should have been forced to play what the rest of us already liked.

Those "perks" aren't even perks. Play cod and then tell me that ro2 has perks....

Sorry but i think its more realistic how one guy gets a belt mg, and someone else has the canister. THAT is actually more realistic than everyone have exactly the same exact gun. Oh btw did you also realize the leveling is realistic too? or did you think every solider on the battle field can aim exactly the same speed, run exactly the same speed and distance, and reload exactly the same.

People claiming classic is more "realistic" than realistic are funny, because its not. In classic ww2 is being fought by robots, that all have the same stamped out weapons. In realistic everyone has what they worked for. The guy that reloaded and bolted his kar98 100000 times BETTER be better at it than me who uses only the mg34. And my MG34 better reload faster because i dedicated myself to only it since this game releases. That actually is more realistic AND more fun.

Agreed.... Realism allows for more variety and more realistic load outs per soldier, compared to every single soldier having a limited weapon selection, those weapons all being at the same condition, everybody's aiming is exactly the same, everybody's stamina & speed is the exact same as the next guy's, everybody being the exact same as everybody else..... but that's more Real I suppose.

I didn't realize RO2 was Star Wars Clone Wars incognito.

Regarding players in classic mode, big time servers should release mods (maps, transport, ability to exit enter vehicles etc.) exclusively for Classic Mode. In this way people will be drawn to it. The best mods and tweaks should be classic exclusive and I'm sure the player count will increase gradually to a much higher level if this is done. Its vital to keep an open dialog about this in order to ensure that Classic become superior and bigger than all other modes.

Keep an open dialogue???

Do you even listen to yourself or at least read what you post??

You never wanted an open dialogue, you just want everything to be the way you think it should be & for everybody to just accept what you want because you're right and everybody else is wrong.

That's not dialogue, that's dictation.

The reality is that no Server Admins would pull the above stunt because most Server Admins now are running Action or Realism, not Classic.

Adding more content that should/will be in every other game mode later on to just Classic mode isn't going to magically force people to play Classic if they still think the Classic game mode is crap, dated, limiting in gameplay & they flat out hate it.

Think for two seconds..... if all the above was added into Realism and left out of Classic, would you suddenly start playing Realism??

Based on your past comments and your views/arguments against Realism, chances are you wouldn't start to play Realism even if it had every single thing that existed in RO1 (Maps / Weapons / Vehicles) because the game play mechanics are what turn you off from the game mode.

The same thing applies to Classic. You can add all kinds of crap into Classic mode, yet if the game play mechanics remain the same, I'm still going to hate playing it.

The difference between you and I is that while I hate Classic Mode and think it's a waste of time & completely un-enjoyable, I accept that others enjoy it and like playing it more than any of the other game modes.... and to them, I say good for you and I'm willing to let them keep playing whatever they please, however they please.

But you and a couple of others in here think you know better than everybody else and you can't even accept that others enjoy something you don't, so you want to force them into playing what you think they should be playing & dictate to them how they should be playing.

I love how you play on words, such as how you want to keep an open dialogue on this debate..... So long as it ends with you getting what you want, taking away everything everybody else enjoys and you forcing people to play as you want them to.

Even when Classic mode was announced to be coming to RO2, you still couldn't meet anybody halfway and Classic mode still isn't good enough for you..... you demand, you dictate and you preach on about how you think things should be, regardless of what others think or like..... which is funny coming from someone who spent more time coming in here to complain than he has playing the game & hasn't even tried the game since the last patch to give anything a chance, including Classic.

 

[Sensemann]

Rather difficult to bring up data when there is no data about certain inevitable and obvious - at least from common sense - things, like running in uneven ground filled with bricks, ruined parts of building etc as fast as you can is very likely to result in a blooded nose and possibly quite a few cuts by shards of glass, running huge flight of stairs with a rocket engine up your arse instead of just say, few less than 5 to 10 steps is bound to slow you down or take a lot longer than running on even ground. Or say downright galloping downhill without falling on your nose. Anyone who has actually tried to do so could probably attest how obvious it is, but when someone brings it up it's always handwaved either because of lack of data, or because it is irrelevant because you can adjust yourself to adapt fluidly in it, despite some obvious questions like how about diving balls first to hard pieces of concrete without any knee pads etc etc and etc. Which obviously are different animals than running on flat ground.

Mate, I hope you realized that my post was refering to running speeds from some of the world's fastest men. Running on a competitive level on a flat, soft ground that is specifically designed to not hurt bones, ancles etc. too much, in order to keep the sportsmen save from injuries as much as possible.
Running in full combat gear under the ground conditions you are mentioning above (rubble, debris etc.) is a complete different story.

My post about the sprint speeds was the best I could find about acceleration of running, because r5cya asked for sources, questioning my statement that it will take some time to reach max sprint speed.

My opinion is simple: Realism running speed is a bit too fast. Classic sprint speed is a bit too slow. That's it....

 

[r5cya]

My opinion is simple: Realism running speed is a bit too fast. Classic sprint speed is a bit too slow. That's it....

THAT, i agree with. they both need a wee bit of tinkering.

 

[Sensemann]

Regarding players in classic mode, big time servers should release mods (maps, transport, ability to exit enter vehicles etc.) exclusively for Classic Mode. In this way people will be drawn to it. The best mods and tweaks should be classic exclusive and I'm sure the player count will increase gradually to a much higher level if this is done. Its vital to keep an open dialog about this in order to ensure that Classic become superior and bigger than all other modes.

Whenever I am checking the server browser, playercounts show me the following: Realism>Action>Classic

Now to be honest, an "Action-mode" in a Red Orchestra game to me is like Mercedes Benz releasing the "Smart-car" with a Mercedes Star on it. It just doesn't fit. Yes, to an extend, it disgusts me. However, the majority proves to me that there is space for an Action mode in RO.

Regarding mods should be classic exclusive:

For a long time, I thought that your posts made sense and are valuable to the community. I still think that the majority of your posts in the past are so, but recently, pretty much since the last patch, I can't take you serious anymore.

You are completely ignoring facts and reality. If what you think should happen actually happened, I can guarantee you: It's you and 20 other players fighting bots on a classic server. Feeling like an elite soldier, fighting brainless bots. Is that what you want?

Most of the former so-called "Vets" will not return to RO 2. Believe me, I have about 100 of them in my friends list and most of them simply refuse to play the game. Even classic doesn't flip the coin for them anymore. It's fine, their choice.

If classic mode would have been the only mode upon release, the community wouldn't have been torn apart so much from the beginning, I agree with that. If classic and realism modes would have been in, it would have been the best, imho. However, it didn't happen. Mistakes have been made and hopefully learned from, I can't judge on that. You can't turn back time, but must move on.

But what you are promoting here on these forums for the last couple of weeks is certainly sth that I cannot support at all for the above mentioned reasons.

And yes, there are RO vets (I still think this is an idiotic term) that have overcome their concerns and negative impressions of RO 2 and are now fine with either Realism or Classic mode. I play with them, loads of times. Plus: both modes are played by them.

When your new computer arrives, play classic mode. I suggest you to check out realism as well, just so that you know what you are talking about. Maybe it even is sth for you, who knows? (Don't expect RO 1 or RO mod from either mode).
If you dislike both modes after extensive testing, you might want to discuss improvements to either mode on these forums. Otherwise, do the remaining players a favor: Leave without spitting into their soup.

 

[Sensemann]

THAT, i agree with. they both need a wee bit of tinkering.

You asked me for proof about my statements about acceleration. I provided that.

Am I correct, assuming that you still don't agree with that?

 

[TheRealGunther]

Personally I'm just glad people are enjoying a mode w/e that is it doesn't matter.
After all its all the same community even if no one can agree on a mode

As long as your having fun your playing the right mode if you ask me.

 

[r5cya]

You asked me for proof about my statements about acceleration. I provided that.

Am I correct, assuming that you still don't agree with that?

not entirely, but i'm not so against your facts, to warrant any further argument on it. i prefer to just agree to meet halfway and say that we both think there needs to be some work done on the speeds in the game. to speeds, stamina and acceleration/deceleration.
ok?

 

[Sensemann]

Personally I'm just glad people are enjoy a mode w/e that is it doesn't matter.
After all its all the same community even if no one can agree on a mode

As long as your having fun your playing the right mode if you ask me.

/signed

And I do play both modes nowadays

not entirely, but i'm not so against your facts, to warrant any further argument on it. i prefer to just agree to meet halfway and say that we both think there needs to be some work done on the speeds in the game. to speeds, stamina and acceleration/deceleration.
ok?

One must love democracy and the benefits of discussing with mature people

 

[r5cya]

p.s. Sensemann, i forgot to say, that post about running speeds was very well done, it really didn't leave much room for argument. good job.

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

Personally I'm just glad people are enjoy a mode w/e that is it doesn't matter.
After all its all the same community even if no one can agree on a mode

As long as your having fun your playing the right mode if you ask me.

Agreed.... Play whatever game mode you enjoy.... suggest tweaks and changes to your fav game mode to make it better.

Leave everybody else to their own game modes.

If I felt something could be improved on in Realism Mode, I'd post my suggestions, but in regards to Action Mode or Classic Mode..... I have no real interest in those and have no desire to suggest changes to something other's enjoy that I don't play. I'll let those people focus on how they want to improve their fav. game mode(s).

If people like Classic Mode as it is and I enjoy Realism Mode as it is, it is illogical for me to come around and start to make suggestions on how to change Classic into something I would like. I have what I like, so why would I screw things up for those who like something else?

And it'd be worse if I tried to suggest completely removing something I know a % of the community enjoys, such as an entire game mode, hoping that by doing so, more people would play what I like.

It's simply not right, it's selfish and it would create more problems than it would solve.

Besides, with the various game modes (ff / cd / te / Action / Realism / Classic) and all of the various server options server admins have at their disposal, I simply can not see how there could still be people unhappy and who can't find a server / game mode they enjoy playing.

I'm glad I can still find a decent selection of Realism servers with good pings to play on.... but even if Classic or Action dominated the server browser..... all I need is 1 or 2 good Realism servers I can play on regularly and I'm happy. I don't need hundreds of Realism Servers and I don't need to have my game mode dominating all others to be happy.... if I got a Realism Server with a decent amount of players (or bots even) with a ping below 100 and running the maps I enjoy.... I couldn't care less.

I don't expect everybody to be just like me with everything, but it'd be nice if others could just be happy with the above as well.

If you have 1 or 2 Classic servers with a decent population and good ping to play on.... what more do you need??

 

[Destraex]

I only play on realism servers. Yes I love the zoom feature which fixes the way the screen perspective is twisted by the monitor. Most games think players are too dumb to understand that what they are looking at by default is actually a convex peripheral view at the edges of the screen.
No real interest in classic mode.

I would venture that classic mode servers will only transfer the population that currently plays RO1. Which was not huge. But at least there are less doom sayers around these days.

It is up to us now to enjoy what has been provided. If anything I would say new maps need to come out properly refined and finished and in numbers to get people back. Replaying the originals most people had done for ridiculous hours when the game first came out.

Wait for the DLC and enjoy the current state of the game

P.S. I own Iron Front and many other ww2 FPS and can honestly say this is the best when it comes to FPS shooters and ww2.

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

.... It is up to us now to enjoy what has been provided. If anything I would say new maps need to come out properly refined and finished and in numbers to get people back. Replaying the originals most people had done for ridiculous hours when the game first came out.

Wait for the DLC and enjoy the current state of the game

Agreed... a lot of members in the Steam forums (some new and some old) are now seeing that the only real flaw RO2 has right now is the lack of new content.... and RO2 desperately needs new content.

Maps, Weapons, Vehicles, etc.... once these new little bugs & glitches get fixed from the last patch, I think it's high time the content starts to get pushed out of the wood works.

Then you will see a lot more players coming back and new players sticking around.

I played constantly from the time RO2 was in Beta right up until December when I took a break until this last patch. It wasn't that there was something ruining the game for me or anything like that, it was just that by November, I played everything to death and it started to get a bit repetitious with the same two tanks, same limited maps and weapons. I just played the current content to death.

And while a new map came out from the last patch, and Action Mode & Classic Mode came out, I am playing again, but I'm still not playing as much as I used to. Many other players in here and the Steam Forums are also posting similar concerns/issues with the lack of content.

I know it will all come into the game like it always has with previous TW games, but this is a serious issue right now that needs to be addressed very soon before more people wander off to something that has some more variety. I'd say the lack of content and the long time we have to wait for the content so far is the primary problem that needs to be focused on now in order to make sure RO2 has a long & healthy life.

Not more Game Modes
Not more Game Mode Tweaks
Not more pandering to the minority who want this or that removed or changed

We NEED Content Soon

Get a couple of things out to get the community interested. We don't need a pile of things right away.... 1 or 2 more maps.... 1 or 2 more weapons..... Transports or 1 or 2 more tanks.... something from all or just some of the above would go a long way in rejuvenating the Game and bringing in new players as well as bringing back old.

Then go back to tweaking & such, but one map in 9 months is insane.

 

[Cyper]

Those "perks" aren't even perks. Play cod and then tell me that ro2 has perks....

Sorry but i think its more realistic how one guy gets a belt mg, and someone else has the canister. THAT is actually more realistic than everyone have exactly the same exact gun. Oh btw did you also realize the leveling is realistic too? or did you think every solider on the battle field can aim exactly the same speed, run exactly the same speed and distance, and reload exactly the same.

People claiming classic is more "realistic" than realistic are funny, because its not. In classic ww2 is being fought by robots, that all have the same stamped out weapons. In realistic everyone has what they worked for. The guy that reloaded and bolted his kar98 100000 times BETTER be better at it than me who uses only the mg34. And my MG34 better reload faster because i dedicated myself to only it since this game releases. That actually is more realistic AND more fun.

Ok,

You should seriously consider to give this idea to Bohemia Interanctive so they can increase their realism in their combat- and military simulators. I can't understand how they possibly could have missed something so realistic. I think they can learn a lot from games such as RO2 and battlefield which really are on top in terms of realism. RO2 should be sold to the military to demostrate real-life perks in action.

No, artificial skills are not realistic. The game should not award you. Everyone should be equal. If perks isn't really perks, what is it? No, its perks in the end of the day. Thats it. The game you are playing got perks. If it does not taste well dont play.

And classic's arthritis soldiers are more realistic?

Once you play both mode it's clear that one is not more "tactical" or "smarter". One is simply slower and hence easier to defend in.
If anything, realism mode is much less dumbed down because it forces you to think faster.

Unlocks and soldier upgrades are crap but that's more of balance issue, not the actual core game mechanics.

You do realize that the pace and 'think fast' isnt a counterargument for the fact that the game in dumbed down?

Tactical shooter's shouldn't be as dependent on quick reflexes and 'fast thinking'. Because they're not twitchshooters. Thinking like that would be like saying that way CoD is a thinking mans games because it requires you to think fast. Well its not. Its an accessible shooter aimed at the mainstream. Its jump in and play. RO2 was developed to be more accessible and action oriented, hence why lockdown timer, increased HUD elements, unlocks and perks was added. Its more in line with people expectations of a FPS.

You obviously haven't played recently.

Lockdown is pretty well gone in most Realism & Action Servers I have played on, Bandaging take a lot longer to apply now, Kill Cam has been removed on all Realism servers I have played on so far and only seen it on a couple of Action Servers, Iron Sights from Sprinting has never been instant and it's not instant now...... and you & others like you going on about how we're all Wrong doesn't make your argument any better than anybody else's since I can easily say you and your views on Classic are just as wrong.

Praxius, I am not going to argue with this. The fact that lockdown exist, the fact that killcam exist, is not positive in my point of view. RO2 ''vanilla'' is still more in line with a twitchshooter than a tactical game. I've been running around with baynonette killing over hundred of enemies while my characters screamed in a very fun way aswell as sprinting around in apartments with my MP40 mowing down hordes of enemies. Both bots and human players. I'm not interesed in that mode, sorry. Laid back approaches that I used in RO ost does simply not work. The style of play is completely different.

No kidding. You've gone on a holy crusade against RO2 since it's original launch and spammed the forums on how the game isn't like RO1 and how you think the entire thing should be changed to what you like. You even tried to suggest that Realism be scrapped as well as all the other game modes so that there was just one game mode.... Your game mode.

Funny how you've gone on for so long to get the game the way you want.... to have a classic game mode that at least meets most of your demands you've been tossing around here since September, yet now that it's here, you haven't bothered to play the beta to try it out & put your input into how you think it should be and now that it's in the actual game, you haven't even tried it there either.

And you're right, there should have only been one game mode..... Realism. But because there was Relaxed Realism and Realism already in RO2 & neither fit your expectations, it opened the door for you to create the divisions and demand the whole game be restructured into how you think it should have been from the start.

Even when the suggestion of another game mode was presented to you months back (so that the majority of the community that didn't agree with you would still have what they like and you get what you like) it still wasn't good enough.

It's all or nothing when it comes to you & when TW & the rest of the community met you halfway by at least giving you a game mode that meets your demands, you never even bothered to try it yet and still go on about how everybody should be forced to play & do as you dictate they should.

Maybe it should have been you and the rest of the minority like you who should have been forced to play what the rest of us already liked.

I haven't 'spammed the forums'' nor have I yet received a warning for spamming or such. I have simply been discussing with people because I care about this game and its future. If I didn't - believe me - I would have left for a long time ago.

Yes, there should only have been one game mode. You can

 

[Oldih]

Mate, I hope you realized that my post was refering to running speeds from some of the world's fastest men. Running on a competitive level on a flat, soft ground that is specifically designed to not hurt bones, ancles etc. too much, in order to keep the sportsmen save from injuries as much as possible.
Running in full combat gear under the ground conditions you are mentioning above (rubble, debris etc.) is a complete different story.

Yes, you're absolutely right and no offence taken here nor intended from here, although I do have to admit my post sounded awfully brusque.

My opinion is simple: Realism running speed is a bit too fast. Classic sprint speed is a bit too slow. That's it....

And I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Proud_God]

And I wholeheartedly agree.

I don't agree. There shouldn't be *one* movement speed. On flat surface should be Realism movement speed, on slopes & rough terrain, closer to Classic movement speed.

 

[1conu59]

Its really sad now, that after the Freeweekend (8000 Players) the Playerbase is about 1000 Players. In my browser i cant find any full populated Classic Server, but lots of "Realism" and Action Mode. That pisses me off. I would see that all Admins change to the Classic Mode. Realism and Action Mode doesnt feel like a Red Orchestra.

Classic' mode suck !

Guy stop crying and go to play ro1, it's the place were you must be !

Hurra to "Realistic mode" first official and best mode in Ro2 !