Throwing Javelin: Berserker

[_Duke_]

Throwing axes
Throwing knives

Throwing Javelin, in my mind, would be superior in terms of fun because I would allow it to penetrate as you level Berserker.
You could shish kebab Zeds! Such as:

3 Clots
2-3 stalkers
3 crawlers (if you can angle it right)
2 Gorefasts
1 Siren, 1 Gorefast OR 1 Siren, 2 clots (etc)

Would not penetrate Bloat, Scrake, Husk, Fleshpound, or Patriarch.

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It would be lighter than Xbow, meaning Berserkers are now running faster with katana/javelin, opposed to katana/crossbow.

The javelins would last indefinitely, meaning they're always on the ground to be picked back up (whereas crossbow bolts disappear quickly) 3-5 ammo count as you level Zerker.

There would be bonus damage & range for running while throwing (~1sec of running before throwing)

Hopefully Crossbow will get nerfed, at least for non-Sharpshooters. Most can agree at least this much is needed.
This would further give a place for Javelin-Berserkers.

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Edit: I'm keep trying to think of a way to prevent Zerkers stockpiling/passing out Javelins, the way we used to for Pipe bombs. I have ideas, but they're filled with loopholes or other problems.

Basically, I think TWI needs to limit the amount of active pipebombs each player can have active, and would similarly need to cap the number of javelins laying around. I think this is the only sensible course.

 

[C_Gibby]

Would certainly be awesome throwing javelins at the ZEDs!

But the problem is, the Berzerker is a melee-focused perk, and if he's given his very own ranged weapon, it'd defeat the purpose of the perk.

However, a weapon that is designed to kill crawlers with ease is debatable.

 

[anthracy]

Basically it sounds like a xbow bolt except thrown.

 

[_Duke_]

Basically it sounds like a xbow bolt except thrown.

Comparable, sure, but xbow is straight shooting and can hit infinite targets, and 1-shot pretty much anything. It only takes 2 xbow headshots to kill FP if you're not Sharpshooter (on Hard)

Similar, yes, but only just.

the problem is, the Berzerker is a melee-focused perk, and if he's given his very own ranged weapon, it'd defeat the purpose of the perk.

However, a weapon that is designed to kill crawlers with ease is debatable.

The main purpose, in my mind, is to help the Berserker get into melee, not replace it. It's meant to be a mid-range weapon that helps them thin out a herd, thrown as they approach.

Certain aspects could be added, such as backpedaling nerfs the throwing range to hell, so you can't kite with it. Conversely, running forward would increase the thrown range/damage, thus encouraging Berserker to get closer, not farther away.
This mechanic is also realistic, so it'd be a nice touch.

Perhaps you have to be running forward for a full second before getting the range/damage boost, meaning you couldn't just tap forward real quick for cheap damage.

 

[Olivier]

This idea has been discussed many times before:

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=43731
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=39799
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=40324

 

[_Duke_]

This idea has been discussed many times before:

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=43731
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=39799
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=40324

Spear =/= thrown javelin, and the other two are incredibly generic thread titles. Searching the forums does not, and should not, entail reading every poorly titled thread. I searched for Javelin in the thread title, and there were none. The second thread is apparently about javelins, but the OP didn't used the word in the title, which he should have. That's not my fault.

Gee, so apparently I'm not the first guy to think of it, but I am the first to create a thread properly.

 

[CupofMud]

EDIT: realized a bit too late that I posted in the wrong tab/thread.

 

[Olivier]

My point is that this idea has been discussed and making a new thread about it will only end up in saying the same thing as in the other threads. Yes a spear or a javelin is a good idea, but like almost every new suggestions in here, they have been discussed before and instead of a making a new thread, learn to search properly and post in an old thread.

This is what comes up when i search for ''Javelin''

 

[Vaecrius]

"ranged melee"

oh god

 

[_Duke_]

My point is that this idea has been discussed and making a new thread about it will only end up in saying the same thing as in the other threads. Yes a spear or a javelin is a good idea, but like almost every new suggestions in here, they have been discussed before and instead of a making a new thread, learn to search properly and post in an old thread.

This is what comes up when i search for ''Javelin''

My point is that I did do a proper search.
Blame the guy for not properly labeling, not me. You're just digging things up so you can say 'LRN2SRCH'

It's not unreasonable to limit my search to thread titles. Unless the mods want to edit that other thread's title, mine has every right to exist because 'ranged melee' is pretty damn generic.

 

[Vaecrius]

I'm with Duke here... and frankly it's totally unreasonable to think you'd get throwing weapons for a search for "ranged" and "melee" - probably more a compare/contrast between SS and zerk, or what's a good "preventive medicine" weapon for a medic.

 

[C_Gibby]

How about that you can only carry only one javelin at a time?

Primary fire is used to stab things in the face, which comes with a little extra reach for crawlers.

Alt-fire can be used to throw the javelin and if the zerker needs it back, he's going to have to cut through the ZEDs to retreive it.

 

[Vaecrius]

If we're talking about a javelin here I don't think it'll be sturdy enough to stab zeds with. At least not zeds (plural), anyway.

(If I had a dollar for every time I wished that "throw weapon" key + axe = ranged attack...)

 

[Uk1t4k3]

Frankly speaking a javelin thrown from close distance will not have enough power to even penetrate a wooden door. Unless u can generate insane amount of strength i doubt the javelin will be effective for throwing other than being another melee range weapon.

 

[_Duke_]

Frankly speaking a javelin thrown from close distance will not have enough power to even penetrate a wooden door. Unless u can generate insane amount of strength i doubt the javelin will be effective for throwing other than being another melee range weapon.

I addressed that in my second post, guess you didn't read it.
But then you're assuming everything in the game is realistic, like grenade launchers that don't harm doors (when hand grenades do), or infinitely penetrating crossbow that can 1-shot anything as Sharpshooter (and everything but FP for all other perks).

Mechanic-wise, yes I'd want a damage/range reward for having a running start, but I wouldn't nerf it at close-range because then it's just not fun.

 

[Uk1t4k3]

I addressed that in my second post, guess you didn't read it.
But then you're assuming everything in the game is realistic, like grenade launchers that don't harm doors (when hand grenades do), or infinitely penetrating crossbow that can 1-shot anything as Sharpshooter (and everything but FP for all other perks).

Mechanic-wise, yes I'd want a damage/range reward for having a running start, but I wouldn't nerf it at close-range because then it's just not fun.

Sooner or later TWI will nerf crossbow, not sure about GL but unlikely. Also if u need range weapon with penetration u can use crossbow. I don't think there is a need of another similar clone which doesn't justify it's uniqueness.

 

[Zeron]

This idea has been discussed many times before:

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=43731
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=39799
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=40324

It's not like this forum is overflowing with threads and threads hit the bottom of the page really fast, so who cares? There's always an M14 thread on this forum or the general forum, why don't you go nazi on them telling them "LRN2SRCH"?

 

[nutterbutter]

How about a rocket on it? It would penetrate the first 3 specimens but then push all specimens behind it until it hits a wall?

 

[_Duke_]

Sooner or later TWI will nerf crossbow, not sure about GL but unlikely. Also if u need range weapon with penetration u can use crossbow. I don't think there is a need of another similar clone which doesn't justify it's uniqueness.

All the melee are basically just 'similar clones', especially knife and machete. And the grenade launchers are vastly similar, except one is better than the other. Not to mention they're both similar to the LAW, except vastly superior.

The javelin would be something that's easy to aim while running (and would even encourage you to do so). It would have infinite duration re-grabbing from the ground, whereas Crossbow bolts disappear fairly quickly.

And yes, hopefully TWI will nerf crossbow, thus giving more of a place for my Berserker-javelin idea once they do.


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Edit: Another reason for the Javelins would be:

I'd make the weight lighter than crossbow (even if realism would say otherwise) so that Berserkers are now running faster for having less weight (compared to using xbow), further excelled by the fact this javelin is meant to be a running weapon.

 

[Aze]

Just food for throught:

Primary Fire = Thrust the spear
Ironsight = Go into throwing position, no running-speed penalty during this "aim" (+ Primary = Throw it)

What could the Secondary Fire be? A powerful impale attack?