Sage, fascists are more country first, nationalistic people. The nation comes before God and anything else for that matter. Communism in it's pure state, is purely social, there is no state/nation to speak of.
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This why politics is not allowed here
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You are partly right. self-proclaimed "communistic" regimes tend to be fascist. The idea behind communism and fascism is totally different though.
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Well. I can give you two points.
1. In fascism there was a theory of races. Another race is better than other. Like Italian fascist thought that "the Latin" race is better that others. And in Germany there were "Aryans".
In Italian fascism there were not so strong influense with race theory than in Germany. And in Italy there were not antisemitism in the beginning.
In communism (theory I mean) all men are the same. That is by race too, I mean. So no racial theories there.
2. The other difference is economical.
Fascism co-operated with "capital". With this I mean they did not "socialised" privat property like in CCCP. They co-operated with "bourgeois" and that is how they manged to rise power. Same in Germany and in Italy.
Like in Germany big military orders from the state kept big industry rolling and Hitler got friends from "capitalists".
And in Soviet Union everything was socialised and state owned everything. So no friends from "bourgeois"
There. Just two points to make the difference.
And fascism is nationalistic thought and communism is internationalistic thought (Stalin was not internationalist, but he supported "Soviet patriotism", what ever that is).
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Oh. And just one more thing. Relation to religion.
Fascism in Italy was good friends with catholic church. And popes boys (not all ofcourse) liked Italian fascists and Mussolini. (Who used to be an atheist earlier)
Fascist Spains (Franco) greatest ally was catholic church.
HardCore-Nazis in Germany did not appreciate church, but they co-operated with it. Ordinary (lower-)middle class nazis appreciated church.
Communism is hostile against religion and church. Like Marx said: "Religion is opium for the people."
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this thread started out as an axplanation why politics are not discussed here, but when I read the last couple of posts I am temted to close it because it is ot the "why" that is discussed
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Yeah. I know. Sorry.
But I just wanted to give something like non-biased "scientifical" aswer to what Sage asked.
Don`t know if I achieved that, but I tried to be un-political.
But I just wanted to give something like non-biased "scientifical" aswer to what Sage asked.
Don`t know if I achieved that, but I tried to be un-political.
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just the ammount of quotes in there makes my eyes hurt ... theres like 15 discussions going on at the same time, so each post has 10 quotes and 10 answers to those quotes
What's so bad about it, if you were registered in that forum you wouldn't be forced to post in that thread.
If others have the urge to do so I don't see a problem - maybe because I'd be one of those.
I like politics, after such discussions I know way more than before, so they tend to be very educational - at least if people try to argue by backing up their opinion with sources instead of insulting. And if that is not the case I know where the people stand.
Facism isn't that easy to define, Umberto Eco tried a definition that I like very much (about 20 pages).
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Well. I can give you two points.
1. In fascism there was a theory of races. Another race is better than other. Like Italian fascist thought that "the Latin" race is better that others. And in Germany there were "Aryans".
In Italian fascism there were not so strong influense with race theory than in Germany. And in Italy there were not antisemitism in the beginning.
In communism (theory I mean) all men are the same. That is by race too, I mean. So no racial theories there.
2. The other difference is economical.
Fascism co-operated with "capital". With this I mean they did not "socialised" privat property like in CCCP. They co-operated with "bourgeois" and that is how they manged to rise power. Same in Germany and in Italy.
Like in Germany big military orders from the state kept big industry rolling and Hitler got friends from "capitalists".
And in Soviet Union everything was socialised and state owned everything. So no friends from "bourgeois"
There. Just two points to make the difference.
And fascism is nationalistic thought and communism is internationalistic thought (Stalin was not internationalist, but he supported "Soviet patriotism", what ever that is).
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Oh. And just one more thing. Relation to religion.
Fascism in Italy was good friends with catholic church. And popes boys (not all ofcourse) liked Italian fascists and Mussolini. (Who used to be an atheist earlier)
Fascist Spains (Franco) greatest ally was catholic church.
HardCore-Nazis in Germany did not appreciate church, but they co-operated with it. Ordinary (lower-)middle class nazis appreciated church.
Communism is hostile against religion and church. Like Marx said: "Religion is opium for the people."
Well, that's a start. But I still gotta say that from the average Joe's point of view, there's not really much, if any difference.
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..........well anyway....LOL 198 pages of flame and insults and counting!!! HAHA what a bunch of weiners!!!
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The average Joe makes not much distinction between anything beside sports anyway. Taking the average Joe on such topic means a crippled result that has nothing to do with history.
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it is VERRY SIMPLE!
without politics or religion, everybody gets well along with others.
we, the normal people should ban all religions and politics, they make us fight each other and die for them while they themselves never get hurt anyway
without politics or religion, everybody gets well along with others.
we, the normal people should ban all religions and politics, they make us fight each other and die for them while they themselves never get hurt anyway
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perhaps i should flame the us politics about france.I sure i could flame the thread again.
we should try to push them to the limit (to the closed thread)
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Agree with the religion part. But politics is a bit harder case though.
Because there actually is only one game in town, and that is politics. You like it or not. Thats just the way it is.
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I sure i could flame the thread again.
Just try, but I can guarantee it will not only be the thread we close
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we should be governed by computers, humans are not perfect enough.
all that the politicians do could be done by a pc, they calculate what is best for the country.
but then again, a country lead by a DELL pc could start a war against a country lead by IBM pc
all that the politicians do could be done by a pc, they calculate what is best for the country.
but then again, a country lead by a DELL pc could start a war against a country lead by IBM pc
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Nichts kann mehr zu einer Seelenruhe beitragen, als wenn man gar keine Meinung hat. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742-1799)
Lously translated by me:
Nothing adds more to a peace of mind than not having an opinion.
That perfeclty says what I'm thinking about politics. It's like in the movie Matrix, choose what pill you want to take. The "fiction-pill" or the "reality-pill" and reality simply has a lot to do with politics.
Lously translated by me:
Nothing adds more to a peace of mind than not having an opinion.
That perfeclty says what I'm thinking about politics. It's like in the movie Matrix, choose what pill you want to take. The "fiction-pill" or the "reality-pill" and reality simply has a lot to do with politics.
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That's very insulting, since I consider myself to be quite the average guy. Blue collar job, wife, bills, all that BS (except sports, which I find boring to watch, but fun to participate in). Many of us DO make distinctions. It's more often the extremely-political who are the tards messing things up. Just take a look at how California's run sometime, if you want an example. There are a lot of "activists" in this state.
I also find that viewpoint extremely scary, since it's about half a step away from views that Stalin, Hitler or any two-bit tin-pot dictator in the last 100 years holds regarding the "little people."
Take the common man/woman out of politics, and you get tyranny. Plain and simple.
Re: Letting computers run things... Umm, they'd be a lot less corrupt than our current "leaders," but I still wouldn't bow and scrape to a box full o' wires. I would probably start stocking up on magnets, though.
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I'm just going to keep working on my super hero skills so one day I can destroy the evil robot computers that have feelings such as greed and hate.......
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