The Steam Forums are a god-awful mess, and hurt the community

[Machete234]

At least their games always get fixed.
At least they haven't sold out their core community.

No they dont fix their games.

In arma1 after x patches the obj in one mission was to defend yourself from the attackers, that I did and nothing happened.
Hmm maybe there is one left somewhere, nope.
Maybe I have to wait?
I used fast forward and the sun went up and down... nothing.
->delete

Operation arrow had similar dead ends and I cant belieave I spent money for it.

ps the core comunity of arma is probably less than half the size of RO2.
That means 200 people.

Another funny thing apperently the "core community" of RO2 consists of 400 people those are the ones who voted for more realism in the poll.
While the whole community can be estimated around 1200 players so it seems a minority wants to speak for the majority.

 

[hekuball]

I tell you one thing that's out of control on here - downvoting. For example, I'm not always in agreement with things Cypher or plenty of others say but i sure as hell am never going to downvote him for it just because I disagree.

i will downvote if people are trolling or just being plain rude just to show my dissatisfaction with the manner in which they express themselves and I don't mind if people downvote me for that reason (I deserve it sometimes).

Case in point is the post above, why is he being downvoted for expressing his opinion?

 

[dazman76]

Case in point is the post above, why is he being downvoted for expressing his opinion?

One of my personal pet hates of the vBulletin forum system Basically some people see the system as:

I agree with you / I don't agree
I like the poster / I don't like the poster

It's pretty obvious that some are simply using it based on arguments - so if something becomes heated, they will then down-vote every post the other person makes regardless of how little information it contains I've even seen "I like this map, I have fun on it" being down-voted - it takes a very small mind to do such a thing. The ideal system is Facebook, which is what everyone copies and fails miserably to understand - you either Like something, or you leave it alone. You don't say "this is no good because I disagree with it", because it's pretty pointless rating opinions in reality

I tend to up-vote posts I genuinely think are thoughtful or informative, even if I disagree with any opinions they contain. I've only down-voted a handful myself, and they were basically one-liner brain-farts attacking RO2/TWI/a community member, without any real substance or reasoning.

By the way - speaking out about the down-votes gets you regularly down-voted yourself, so you're probably on the hit list now too heh

On the Splash Damage forums, they've disabled the feature but left the actual ratings in-tact - because it was abused just as much as it is here. I still have my cute little green blobs next to my user name though, so these brain-farters obviously aren't very dedicated

 

[hekuball]

yes, you're probably right, my "jewel in the rough" status will probably turn into "spud in the dust" y the end of the day.

 

[dazman76]

yes, you're probably right, my "jewel in the rough" status will probably turn into "spud in the dust" y the end of the day.

I'm so tempted to down-vote you just for the chuckles lol. Must exercise restraint towards a fellow T34-er!

 

[Richey79]

Case in point is the post above, why is he being downvoted for expressing his opinion?

I don't down-vote things I merely disagree with.

Neither do I say to myself, 'Look, it's a Cpt Praxius post, tl:dr, down-vote!'

But when a guy starts attacking another game community and spouting rubbish, such as the Arma series having a community of 200 (there were 180 people viewing the A2 Bis forum alone at the time he made the comment), it's down-voting time.

'No, they don't fix their games.'

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=128932http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=128932

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=121146http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=121146

 

[defektive]

I tell you one thing that's out of control on here - downvoting.

If you could see the names of who Up/Down voted a post I suspect a good lump of the serial down-voters would lose their nerve. The mechanic is okay but the current anonymity of it means there is no backsplash for p_ssing wildly about.

EDIT: Let's not forget the OP topic! Yes, the Steam fora are the internet equiv. of a Chavalanche. TWI are quite correct in not posting anything therein, to do so would only lend a hint of credibility to what goes on in there.

 

[Cyper]

No they dont fix their games.

In arma1 after x patches the obj in one mission was to defend yourself from the attackers, that I did and nothing happened.
Hmm maybe there is one left somewhere, nope.
Maybe I have to wait?
I used fast forward and the sun went up and down... nothing.
->delete

Operation arrow had similar dead ends and I cant belieave I spent money for it.

ps the core comunity of arma is probably less than half the size of RO2.
That means 200 people.

Another funny thing apperently the "core community" of RO2 consists of 400 people those are the ones who voted for more realism in the poll.
While the whole community can be estimated around 1200 players so it seems a minority wants to speak for the majority.

If you fast forward until the sun went up and down that takes quite a time since the game plays in real-time.....

Anyway, I have played arma combat operation a lot and haven’t experienced something like that to that extent. Arrowhead had less similar issues according to reviewers and players. Incorrent. BIS community a lot bigger. They’ve been developing their arma/ofp games since 1999. They have released away more games than TWI despite the fact that their games is more expensive. OFP CWC was lightyears before RO OST. It before BF 1942 aswell, not just in release date, but how advanced it was aswell. Their board is away more bigger and a lot more active. They got huge amounts of mods,. It’s thousands of mods, missions, campaigns, and so on. I don’t really know what kind of grudge you got agianst arma.
　
Now, You’re saying that the minority want to speak for the majority in the realism thread.

First off, If you want to listen to the majority then the first thing to do is to make RO as realistic as COD and Battlefield. Because this is what the majority want. Arcade. Action. Forgiving gameplay. RO2 may have a chance to appeal to the majority if that’s done. I am not saying that everyone play COD and BF but the majority does. So then we may scrubb RO2 from the genre tactical shooter completely.

Second, the majority isn’t always right, nor does it or should have the power to change everything to It’s liking. Reminds me of the Sweden Democratcs who says that everyone that comes to Sweden has to follow our culture or else they aren’t welcome. That’s group egoism.

There is always a group of people that decide where a game will be heading. It must be that way. There is a lot of RO players that aren't registered here and just play the game. If they don't want to spend time here and give ideas and suggestions then they shouldn't expect that the game will be exactly how they want. They're all free to post hundreds of post and spend time here. But they don’t. So the people who aren’t here to give their votes and discuss just have to blame themself. Besides, if these people dont like the idea of increased realism, they know where to look elsewhere. The other games are out there. Its just to pick one up and play. Only a fool would pick up a tactical shooter and then start trying to persuade the developers to remove the tactical side of it when there are plenty of games they will like out there. Tactical shooters shouldn't be forbidden just because the majority of people dont play them.

 

[dazman76]

The mechanic is okay but the current anonymity of it means there is no backsplash for p_ssing wildly about.

Aye, this is how they had it working on the Splash Damage forums. You also typed in a message, i.e. why you approved/disapproved of the post. To be honest though - in that instance at least, it didn't stop people using the system. In fact, since they knew the vote comment wasn't moderated like posts were, some of the comments were even worse than you'd expect from a reply in the thread heh

 

[Who_Ate_Mah_Cake]

I agree the steam forums are awful.

Look at this thread ,we really need a moderator
to control the RO2 steam forums.

 

[The_Cook]

I think there's a huge difference between free speech and unmoderated speech.

Unmoderated speech to me, is just silly. Forums need enforced rules that atleast guarantee that things like personal attacks, trolls, spammers and people that can not maintain a calm posture are dealt with.

I wouldn't mind if the steam RO2 forums either get closed, or if they start moderating it properly.

If you are not American sure I guess it is okay. If you are American, Free Speech or no speech at all. there is no middle ground. hate it as much as you want but the second someone can start telling another person what some can and can not say is the second we go down the dark dark road. Even the KKK and Nazi's have a right to their opinions. And by protecting their right to speech we protect our own.

 

[The_Cook]

I agree the steam forums are awful.

Look at this thread ,we really need a moderator
to control the RO2 steam forums.

As for this thread the dude was right, At launch this game was a steaming pile of ****. Now it's playable but still has lag and fps issues. People who think RO2 is an example of a good game are wearing emerald glasses. This game needs 2-3 more major patches before it can be considered a good game.

Why do i continue to play? Why do I continue to support and sell this game to other people when given the opportunity? Because I believe in Tripwire. I played the original RO back in the day and I've experienced the staunch support they have given their games, I believe they will do the same with RO2. They will take a steaming pile of ****, and polish it into a diamond

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

If you are not American sure I guess it is okay. If you are American, Free Speech or no speech at all. there is no middle ground. hate it as much as you want but the second someone can start telling another person what some can and can not say is the second we go down the dark dark road. Even the KKK and Nazi's have a right to their opinions. And by protecting their right to speech we protect our own.

True, in a broad sense. However, as a forum member you generally are a guest there and have to abide by their rules. The fact that they choose to moderate it or not, well we can all see the results.

 

[Poerisija]

i tell you one thing that's out of control on here - downvoting. For example, i'm not always in agreement with things cypher or plenty of others say but i sure as hell am never going to downvote him for it just because i disagree.

I will downvote if people are trolling or just being plain rude just to show my dissatisfaction with the manner in which they express themselves and i don't mind if people downvote me for that reason (i deserve it sometimes).

Case in point is the post above, why is he being downvoted for expressing his opinion?

There were no opinions in RO:OST therefore they are wrong.

Yes, I am trolling. Everyone else is, so why wouldn't I.

 

[luciferintears]

i found the steam forums to be filled with only fanboys, hard to get a meaningful discussion over there...

 

[r5cya]

I agree the steam forums are awful.

Look at this thread ,we really need a moderator
to control the RO2 steam forums.

LOL! those are the tools i got banned from steam for. they let guys get away with threads like that and ban guys that stick up for ro2. cutting their own throats.

 

[r5cya]

i found the steam forums to be filled with only fanboys, hard to get a meaningful discussion over there...

two camps. fanboys (i guess i'm one of them) and whiners (guys posting the same comments over and over). rarely does a thread make a contribution to the game or the community.

 

[Mike_Nomad]

two camps. fanboys (i guess i'm one of them) and whiners (guys posting the same comments over and over). rarely does a thread make a contribution to the game or the community.

Agreed..... and to add insult to injury, it appears the Mods there allow the trolls and their cheap shots (what they did to r5cya is an outrage) But.....

God forbid someone attempts to put the trolls in their place or defend RO2 with facts. (Deletions, Warnings and Bans are the usual result)
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The two Steam RO forums are in desperate need of quality moderation. At this time, the Steam RO forums are absolutely counter productive.

 

[dazman76]

I went over there and tried to spread some positivity - let's see how that goes lol

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

^^^

Well, it was nice knowing you...