The SMGs

[TheRealGunther]

I'm using a stock military surplus Hi-Power @ 100 yards. No modifications. My friend uses a stock CZ-75. Hickok does it @ 230 yards with a stock Glock 27.



Match grade? It's the shooter, not the gun. All of those snipers in WWII weren't given accurized match guns. The Russians and Germans grabbed a bunch of rifles, shot them all, and picked the best one and slapped a scope on it. The Americans didn't even pick the best of the lot; they just grabbed rifles off the line and mounted scopes. Those amazing feats of marksmanship were due to the men behind the guns, not the guns themselves. When you become experienced with firearms, you'll find out that in most cases, the gun is more accurate than the shooter. Practice more and you'll see.

2-3" groups @ 25 yds is mechanically accurate enough to hit a man-sized target @ 100 yards. At longer distances, user error is magnified. What threw you off .5" at 25 yards might turn into a few inches at 100 yards. Fundamentals just become more important at longer distances. Sight picture, grip, and trigger control. Work on that and you'll hit targets @ 100 yards in no time.

Accuracy is judged by the group of rounds in a giving target not the placement of the rounds.The user can adjust to make up for placement or the sights adjusted even dove tail iron sights can be adjusted.

Im not saying you can't hit a target at 100 yds im saying the accuracy drops considerably at that range.Id love to see someone take a p38 "stock" and get a 5-10 inch group pattern at 100yds.

Not going to argue I only started all this because people saying the mp40 has an effective range of up to 200 m.Yes it will kill at that range but anyone would be lucky to hit anything at that range in RL with an mp40.Emptying a clip to hit a target is not what I call accurate.

 

[Graphic]

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=banana%20magazine[/URL]

Banana magazine however is an "established word" and a correct one at that, too.

Did you read your own link?

It shows "magazine" by itself, and then several definitions of "banana clips."

Nice try, though.

 

[BigMorgan]

LOL. Between all the ARMA "i once shot a pumpkin 300m away" realism freaks and the COD kids, I see great things for this game.

Pumpkin? 300m?

I once killed a tank with a wire-guided, shoulder-fired missile from 3000m! :IS2:

 

[riZZo]

USA Apollo Rockets...a German rocket program, not american.

Not meaning to be pedantic, but it was British technology which the Germans stole

 

[Coreldan]

Did you read your own link?

It shows "magazine" by itself, and then several definitions of "banana clips."

Nice try, though.

Lol, fail there, guess I was fooled by the url/title of the page.

Either way, "clip" still isnt a correct term when it comes to firearms that use a detachable box magazine, whether or not some stupid rappers have established it.

 

[[TORO]Patosentado]

Answering all topics:
- In game: REcoil in RO1 was more realistic than this in RO2, but that

 

[tarquin]

i felt the same, but after probably 5 hours of using the ppsh - you can manually 'control' the recoil and all of a sudden it becomes an MP40 with double the ROF...

 

[Josef Nader]

Answering all topics:
- In game: REcoil in RO1 was more realistic than this in RO2, but that

 

[Grobut]

- In game: REcoil in RO1 was more realistic than this in RO2, but that

 

[KittyKitsune]

Wow I did'n expect so many replies over night : )

Anywho, can we quit the entire soviet vs german design discussion, everyone stole technology from everyone else, that's just how it is.

Either way, I don't think anyone addressed the issues of, how the MP40 have less recoil, and was more accurate when it simply wasn't. I will repeat again and I think this should be pretty straight forward. The ppsh had a heaver wooden stock, and a longer barrel, that means more recoil absorption and more rifling. Also "yaya higher rate of fire." Missed that I pointed out the ppsh had selective fire, and it's still inaccurate when you fire it single shot compared to the MP40.

And like I said I am not saying they should make the ppsh better, I'd just like it if the Mp40 which in my oppinion was not nearly as good as the ppsh41 in real life, atleast just wasn't outrageously more accurate than ppsh.

And yeah, ppsh does get a drum, but the MP40 get's a duel clip which means very fast reload, and if you already murder everyone at 300 m ingame with an automatic gun having very low reload time seems preferable to having more rounds or atleast as good.

So if anyone can see some logic in that, and not just fanboyism arguements i.e. "I luv germany, germany only makes good stuff" or vice versa then I am still interested.

And then we can discuss AK47 and STG44 origins another :3 Not that it ain't interesting though.

 

[AmazingMilto]

(Moon-vision).

It was called Vampire Vision

Because that sounds about 10x more awesome than Moon vision.