Tactics The PRTD is useful......Really.
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Without Mortars and infinite arty support the russians have no infantry based anti-tank weapons. PTRD is overpowered for gameplay purposes. Be glad it isn't nearly as good as the Pfaust.
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Screw anti-tank... ANTI-INFANTRY work =)
Inclusion of the PTRS is definetly something I am all for
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You know mortars and artillery were hideously ineffective for destroying tanks, right?
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It only looks that way because the ground deflects the blast upwards.
Imagine the explosive force of an artillery shot that made a crater 1.5/3 meters deep...
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still all these shells are he rounds, no ap rounds, so they probably should just blow up tank like they do, it does no damage if a is2 lands a 122 mm he round next to your tank, so why does it 1hit kill you if an arty round lands right next to you, even if it is 250 mm?
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Because we all know how pinpoint accurate 150mm artillery fire is, especially against a mobile vehicle.
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Which is why they had masses or artillery fire to destroy tanks. Though I think more likely the artillery would simply deter tanks. You wouldn't drive your tank through an artillery barrage even if they were "inaccurate".
I think it would be much better to implement airstrikes though. You set it up like artillery where someone looks through their binocs and calls it in on a target, and then make it so the "bomb" attempts to track the tank and lands really close to even a moving tank.
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0 degrees is nearly impossible to achieve in combat conditions... I'm guessing it would have performance around that of the german ATR of the period.
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A point on ranges:
At 100m, 1280x1024 resolution, a Panzer IV is a tiny 49x19 blob. The gun is a single-pixel tall line.
How often do you fire the PTRD from even this range? If it penetrates 30mm at 100, its going to do more at closer ranges (not Tiger quality hits, but more).
At 100m, 1280x1024 resolution, a Panzer IV is a tiny 49x19 blob. The gun is a single-pixel tall line.
How often do you fire the PTRD from even this range? If it penetrates 30mm at 100, its going to do more at closer ranges (not Tiger quality hits, but more).
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Ditch the hit-point system and introduce crew kills and easier-to-achieve system failures. Petrol bombs and soviet AT-grenades (RPG-40, RPG-43 and RPG-6) would be neat additions.
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You can't simply say
"well the germans have an immensely effective AT solution, so the russians need one too"
because that doesn't reflect the difficulties that they faced. The PTRD is in the game because it is effective against smaller tanks and armoured vehicles from the right position and shooting the right spot. Just because it can't kill things at amazing ranges and on the more well armoured spots on German tanks doesn't make it useless. It was also deployed against Anti-Tank guns, something I'm sure we're all hoping to see in RO at some time.
I'd like to see the russian anti tank grenades at some point
"well the germans have an immensely effective AT solution, so the russians need one too"
because that doesn't reflect the difficulties that they faced. The PTRD is in the game because it is effective against smaller tanks and armoured vehicles from the right position and shooting the right spot. Just because it can't kill things at amazing ranges and on the more well armoured spots on German tanks doesn't make it useless. It was also deployed against Anti-Tank guns, something I'm sure we're all hoping to see in RO at some time.
I'd like to see the russian anti tank grenades at some point
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AND, but most importantly to the fact that rounds tended to not go in a straight line. especially if we're talking assault guns...
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You can't simply say
"well the germans have an immensely effective AT solution, so the russians need one too"
because that doesn't reflect the difficulties that they faced. The PTRD is in the game because it is effective against smaller tanks and armoured vehicles from the right position and shooting the right spot. Just because it can't kill things at amazing ranges and on the more well armoured spots on German tanks doesn't make it useless. It was also deployed against Anti-Tank guns, something I'm sure we're all hoping to see in RO at some time.
I'd like to see the russian anti tank grenades at some point
The Germans also had AT grenades though I'd rather see the Panzerschreck put into the game. Give the Russians the PRTD on early war maps and AT grenades on later maps.
Personally, as a Russian I don't have much of a problem finding and using Panzerfausts on their previous owners.
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2 PT soldat working in tandem is a great strategy. One me and [3.SA]Ryad.Jizdik use often. The major plus to having your squad's AT rifleman work as a team, is that you can kill a tank, before being spotted. In the close ranges some combined arms maps force you to play at, the PTRD-41's huge muzzle flash is easily visible. ...So it's not hard to spot you from a commander's copula and return fire with a mounted MG. (I'm sure you've all been there). The point of a PT duo, is that you don't need the effective cover that just isn't available in some cases, Because 2 PT rifleman can aim at crit spots and shoot at the same time .... striking a one hit kill.
In close rang w/o usable cover the AT duo just makes sense.
As for the PTRD-41 being grossly overpowered.... at the time being there are few anti-tank weapons available and RO:OST has always been a compromise of realism and playability. If it was dead on, it wouldn't be fun.
In close rang w/o usable cover the AT duo just makes sense.
As for the PTRD-41 being grossly overpowered.... at the time being there are few anti-tank weapons available and RO:OST has always been a compromise of realism and playability. If it was dead on, it wouldn't be fun.
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