I think there's some confusion. The SU-122 and SU-152 are not the same as the ISU-122 and ISU-152. ISU's came later and had different hulls and main gun (except the ISU-152 had the same gun as the SU-152).
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80mm sides and rear !
Im pretty sure most Russian tanks should have no problem with this.
Its pretty much like the IS-2 since no German tank in game could kill it except at close range from the front (Tiger I Panther G) but its flanks and rear were vulnerable (90mm). Use the speed of your T-34's to flank and kill the Tiger II.
Adding early tanks at this point is not a good move since there are no early war tank maps save 1, the one with the windmills but we do however have many 1944-1945 maps that could use the Tiger II or other late war designs. The most obvious map that requires a Tiger II at the moment is RO-Konigsplatz.
Read the books about the russian - finnish war and atleast there is seems like they didnt have much of a problem destroying them.
Easy to take em out due to its design (and perhaps the drivers) as in Molotows, At-guns and even Smgs.
Good point! But i would not compare the Tiger and Tiger II with Panzer IV F2/G and Panzer IV H, theres huge differences. The Tiger II is near in evry way superior to the Tiger, except that he was even more underpowered and had problems with his running gear.
The Tiger II would change drasticaly gameplay.
From al this maps so far i know Barashka and Ogledow would be the only one featuring the Tiger II
From al this maps so far i know Barashka and Ogledow would be the only one featuring the Tiger II
jedinstven-o crni Wuk said:From al this maps so far i know Barashka and Ogledow would be the only one featuring the Tiger II
IMO it wouldnt. As the tests at Kubinka show, it should be possible to penetrate Tiger II with IS-2's 122m cannon. And that is because the quality of armor decreased drastically towards the end of the war.
So, it would be a slower but more armored compared to IS-2. And if the armor quality would be taken into consideration when implementing the Tiger II, think of the whining when the tank isn't the "Holy Grail" some people are waiting for.
You can find the same quote at the Russian Battlefield web site.http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=50I have read somwhere that 70% of the amunition the IS2 used in battle has been HE shells, and even that, might be wrong, cause the source could be wrong (german tank book cant rember anymore).
I've found two articles on the web about the Kubinka testing. The infamous Russian Battlefield article and one at Achtung Panzer.I wuld be very interested under what kind of scenario the tests in kubinka have been done. The worst case conditions? Or best or average?
It was determined that the pictures were doctoredBut looking at the pictures, the thing is really badly shot-up and this must effect the tests, with the accumilated stresses. Looking at crack caused by shot #43, the HE shell, the terminators of the crack are the centers of shots #52 and#59 (or is it #54?). I doubt it would have cracked if the other shots hadn't been there.
Well, you could, but you wouldn't be too effective.
Huh? Proof would be nice. I can see for myself how the back of the turret flaked like obsidian rock (very hard yet VERY brittle) you can't doctor that.It was determined that the pictures were doctored
I'm sure I read somewhere that the frontal armour of the K
It was determined that the pictures were doctored
Realistically portrayed T-70,T-26,T-28,T-60, or T-40 vs a Panzer III J-N or Panzer IV F not much of a match for the panzers shoting from a hill would be very effective the Panzers would have little trouble. What would be needed for early engagements are the "beasts from the East" the Russian KV tanks.