The MP41 (merged)
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Well back in the mod I could never tell the difference, but I believe that the 40 has a slightly higher RoF than the 41, making it a little more useful from the hip. Someone who actually used it regularly should be able to say for certain though.
IRL they were identical in functionality, just one had a different stock.
I hope they dont have different sounds like they did in the mod, that was stupid...
I hope they dont have different sounds like they did in the mod, that was stupid...
Diamond said:
You will probloby use the MP40 becouse it's the only one you got to choose from, my guess is that only NCO's can get to choose the MP41.
myzko said:
Doubtful, although it should be that way. Anyone who can use PPSh41 (EXCEPT for NCO's) can use the PPD40, which was extremely rare and it ends up making no sense when you have 1 guy with a PPSh41 and 4 guys with a PPD40 in 1944, or even 1941-42 for that matter. Devs should change it so only 1 guy can use PPD40 and rest have to use a PPSh41, and it should be the same way with the MP40 and MP41. I personally like the PPSh41 better than the PPD40 anyway.
Gunwing said:
I think were talking about a difference of maybe a pound? That still doesnt change the fact that the 9 mm parabellum is probably the most inaccurate round of WWII. As a matter of fact, the Germans relished finding (or killing and taking) the Stens due to thier flatter profile for firing from windows ect, but the accuracy was pretty much the same.... they both sucked really bad after 30-40 yards.
Goetz said:
I think that if they could they would, Is it possible to limit weopens for certain classes? Or only limit the classes.. If they only can limit the classes then the NCO's should get to chosoe the PPD40 when they have a automatic choice (along with the other weapons)
I'm still hoping that the MP41 will only be issued to NCO's!
Well, they already limit weapons to certain classes, so yeah, it's possible.
For example, the G43/SVT40 are often limited by class, depending on the map. In some maps they're available to NCOs, in others they have their own dedicated class.
If you mean "Can we limit them WITHIN the class" that's probably a bit more difficult. What you can do is eliminate them from the unlimited classes and give them to the limited ones.
For example, the G43/SVT40 are often limited by class, depending on the map. In some maps they're available to NCOs, in others they have their own dedicated class.
If you mean "Can we limit them WITHIN the class" that's probably a bit more difficult. What you can do is eliminate them from the unlimited classes and give them to the limited ones.
Solo4114 said:
Aye', I meant limiting weapons within different classes, I think that would simplify alot of things.
Hopefully the Dev's might make and mp 28 for earlier maps with SS units on, that would be awesome.
I am just going to paste the same thing I wrote in response to another person (who claimed the MP41 was better for clubbing people, and used by police as a result) in the patch thread concerning the MP41, as it applies here as well:Avenger said:
I don't know where you heard the MP41 was intended for Military Police, but it sounds like a myth to me, seems silly that a wooden stock would be adopted just to club people
Here is some info quoted from the book The MP38, 40, 40/1 and 41 Submachine Gun published by Special Interest Publicaties BV, 2001:As you can see, it was not exactly the most widely encountered weapon on the East Front, and not with the German army either. Sure, I am certain some German soldiers used it (and there are pictures of this), but according to most sources I have read, it was indeed a weapon used by Romanians and other allied troops.
Exactly. I wasn't taking issue with your point, your post merely highlighted the idea that the Heer didn't use the MP41, so if anything I was in support, although I don't agree that the MP41 was designed specifically with Military Police in mind.
The idea is that only a very, very few German troops would have fielded the MP41. Unless we get to play as Romanians or have more maps centered in the Southern/Balkan area of the Front, then it does seem somewhat silly to add the MP41.
As I said in another thread on this: the MP41 won't change gameplay, and if it does, it will result in the unrealistic situation of large numbers of them being encountered. The devs should just focus on other weapons in larger use by the German military.
The idea is that only a very, very few German troops would have fielded the MP41. Unless we get to play as Romanians or have more maps centered in the Southern/Balkan area of the Front, then it does seem somewhat silly to add the MP41.
As I said in another thread on this: the MP41 won't change gameplay, and if it does, it will result in the unrealistic situation of large numbers of them being encountered. The devs should just focus on other weapons in larger use by the German military.
I agree completely. I would like to see some new weapons added in the interest of balance, but I'll save that for another thread. The decision to add the MP41 and M44 is rather puzzling, but I guess it doesn't matter because I probably won't ever use either gun.
Well I guess it isn't puzzling from a developer's standpoint. Both would take considerably less modeling as they are really just extensions of already existing weapons. The MP41 was already in the mod, so all they have to do is make a higher poly version of it for ROOST, and the M44 is just going to be their 38 with a bayonet added to the model.
Same thing will happen when the Broomhandle and Nagant revolver are introduced as "new weapons" down the road.
BTW, that reminds me, the Nagant revolver was actually more populous on the front than the Tokarev. I know a lot of people wouldn't expect that, but trust me. The Nagant shoudl be the standard sidearm in the game and the TT-33 the extra one, similar to how the P-38 is the standard German sidearm in ROOST and the P-08 was more rare.
Same thing will happen when the Broomhandle and Nagant revolver are introduced as "new weapons" down the road.
BTW, that reminds me, the Nagant revolver was actually more populous on the front than the Tokarev. I know a lot of people wouldn't expect that, but trust me. The Nagant shoudl be the standard sidearm in the game and the TT-33 the extra one, similar to how the P-38 is the standard German sidearm in ROOST and the P-08 was more rare.
I always use the P38 anyway. It's supposed to be a bit more accurate, and I much prefer the slide locking back rather than locking UP when my magazine's dry.
As for the MP41, I might use it for novelty purposes, but unless there's a functional difference, probably I won't really care.
What other weapons would they add that saw more use, aside from possibly the FG42? I mean haven't we pretty much covered the standard issue weapons already? Aren't we basically getting into the more obscure weapons at this point?
As for the MP41, I might use it for novelty purposes, but unless there's a functional difference, probably I won't really care.
What other weapons would they add that saw more use, aside from possibly the FG42? I mean haven't we pretty much covered the standard issue weapons already? Aren't we basically getting into the more obscure weapons at this point?
Yes. Some of my suggestions have been the MP-28 and the ZB-26, SMG and MG respectively.
Both were used by the SS quite extensively and are good weapons.
Another weapon used by the SS quite a bit is the Browning Hi-Power, made under contract for the Germans. An excellent sidearm.
For the Russians, like I said make the Nagant the standard pistol issued to crews and MG gunners, not the Tokarev.
As far as new Russian weapons to add, we really have the gamut already, and I doubt the devs will add in teh heavier pieces like the 12.7mm MGs.
I think a good weapon to add for Russia would be the RPG-43 AT grenade. It saw extensive use and was effective for taking out the German frontline tanks. It would be more realistic to give the Russian AT class this weapon later war than the PTRD, as the PTRD really shouldn't be doing anything besides scratching the paint on the late Panzer IV, Panther, and of course the Tiger.
The RPG-43 used a shaped charge and could pierce 3 inches (about 76mm) of plate.
Both were used by the SS quite extensively and are good weapons.
Another weapon used by the SS quite a bit is the Browning Hi-Power, made under contract for the Germans. An excellent sidearm.
For the Russians, like I said make the Nagant the standard pistol issued to crews and MG gunners, not the Tokarev.
As far as new Russian weapons to add, we really have the gamut already, and I doubt the devs will add in teh heavier pieces like the 12.7mm MGs.
I think a good weapon to add for Russia would be the RPG-43 AT grenade. It saw extensive use and was effective for taking out the German frontline tanks. It would be more realistic to give the Russian AT class this weapon later war than the PTRD, as the PTRD really shouldn't be doing anything besides scratching the paint on the late Panzer IV, Panther, and of course the Tiger.
The RPG-43 used a shaped charge and could pierce 3 inches (about 76mm) of plate.