The MP40/II and MG34 Saddle Drum + Perma Bayonet

[Empa]

They still use realism to make the game better. They do not base the game by pure realism.

 

[Romanrp]

The STG44 was in RO1 and nobody complained, i dont understand why people are arguing over the MKb42.

IMO all of the weapons should be freely available just like in RO1.

 

[Qweets]

those of us who pre-ordered DDE get the mkb 42 and the semi auto sniper rifles unlocked on day one...

 

[Romanrp]

Also I dont think its fair that the people that work hard to unlock something wont be able to use it.

I can also imagine heroes getting 'accidentally' shot by their team and have their fancy toy taken.

I can also imagine the cries: "MKb42 noob!!!"

 

[Sgt.NightFire]

if these unlocks will be available for real, i don't think i will be playing Ro2 allot. We were expecting Ro with allot better graphics, some nice upgrades here and there (see cover system), and now we get all this arcade crap? If they only do all this stuff to get new players into the game, than i only have one thing to say that Tripwire seems to love more than its community (and because of that community they would have never been were they are today.) And that is money...

Killing Floor Money Song - YouTube

We never asked for all this arcade crap, we love RO because of its realism, and we would have had new players even without all this new stuff.

It seems its up to the community once again to mold, well beat this game into what RO is now.

 

[lucky-hendrix]

It's really not about balance, we have played RO1 for ages and the russian had PPsh41 and the german Mp40, it never created any problem for anyone. What it is about is authenticity and immersion feeling, I would find it outrageous if everyone ran around with prototypes weapons and barely used weapons. I couldn't care less about balance, want I want is to feel like I am in 1942 Stalingrad, not some stupid acrcade-ish game where all that counts is your K/D ratio and to show everybody you have the biggest e-peen.

 

[Makino]

I dont care for the unlocks, but to have it freely available is depressing.

Seeing these weapons more than the regular ones is not Arcade (dont ever say arcade as crap, it is awesome in its own rights) as the guy above me says, but it is unrealistic and breaks the immersion of the game.

 

[Romanrp]

This is what should be done.
All weapons available, assault gets a choice MKb42 and MP40 just like RO1. The same could work for russians with the PPSH41 and AVT-40.

No weapon unlocks apart from PPSH41 drum and bayonets, and maybe sniper scope.

 

[Josef Nader]

Gloom and doom, the world is ending!

Have a little faith. TWI knows what they're doing, and if it DOES turn out that their brains fell out and they thought this was genuinely a good idea, the community is quite good at fixing things like this.

 

[Imaginary_Star]

As you have said it yourself, make a server where these are not allowed.
Let those who happen to disagree have their fun on their servers.

Everybody's happy, and developers are free to work on issues like engine stability and so forth.

 

[LeopoldStotch]

I settled with the MbK. I didn't like it, but I accepted it. But non-detachable bayonetts and double magged MP40s everywhere?

Thats a bit too...strange. It reminds me too much of medal of honor airborne, and we all know how taht turned out...

 

[Fishsticks]

You guys do realize all the realism concerns will be addressed with numerous mods and mutators. TWI is just trying to make a living.. which means bringing in money ..which means making the game a little more open to the casual players. Every realism concern will be addressed by the community once the full version hits. Have patience.

 

[Zoring]

All of these concerns are hopefully treatable by TW if they include them as server options, i don't know about you guys in America but the only servers consistently packed to full in Aus are the 'hardcore' (sigh) ones. So if they can mod their servers for these rarities to be Hero class only then i have no concerns at all.

 

[Grobut]

Yeah, I almost didn't bring it up but wanted to get this out there :
A. it didn't effect a different outcome in any way
B. there was only 1 in the 50 or more player session
C. it showed up late in the match

A. Balance isen't the issue, historical accuracy is, and many of us would prefer to never see them in the "Realism" mode since they wheren't there (or atleast that realism servers get the option to disable them, and yes, people have found documents that proves the MKb could not have been in Stalingrad, and it goes without saying that extremely rare items like the MP-40/II and Nagant-silencer would not have been issued to frontline troops in an encircled city).

B. This is the Beta, ranking up is very broken and you only got it via a bug. But that's not how it'll work in the full game once fixed, then the weapon will be avalible to the Elite-Rifleman class i belive, of which there is usually 2 permanent slots. But other guns, like the MP-40/II will be even more widely avalible to ranked players.

C. Beta, got it via a bug, see reply to point B above.

The STG44 was in RO1 and nobody complained, i dont understand why people are arguing over the MKb42.

The STG-44 was a frontline issue mass produced weapon (allthough rare compared to something like the Kar, they did build and field the thing in respectable enough numbers), and Ost contained maps where it allmost certainly would have been avalible (and in maps where it allmost certainly would not have been, it was disabled), and ontop of that it was rare ingame aswell (you got 1).

The MKb was a rare prototype, we know for a fact that none ever made it to Stalingrad, it gets even rarer unlockables like the scope, and servers will allow atleast 2 per map by the looks of it, on every map.


Same goes for the rest, Ost had other "rare guns", including the G-41, PPD-40 and the MP-41.

However, none of thouse where prototypes, they where frontline issue weapons build by the thousands, even the MP-41, whilst origionally made for the police, we know that the Waffen SS did use this gun, and that it was likely to have been used in the defense of Berlin for example.

And people DID complain about them, especially the PPD-40, a lot of us did ask for some kind of mechanic that would limit how many assault guys could select that thing, so the PPSh would allways be more common as it should have been.

But none of Ost's firearms where as blatantly anachronistic as what we get in HoS, and still there where complaints about them!

Also I dont think its fair that the people that work hard to unlock something wont be able to use it.

Which is why i think nobody would be even remotely opposed to having them in the Arcade mode. Afterall, isen't that what the mode should be for?

But in the Realism mode? No thanks..
Atleast i would like for servers to get the option of disabling them.

 

[Fullforce]

What I don't understand: why detatch the bayonnet?

In RO1 you'd press the button to put it on at the beginning of the round anyways

unless you get sadistic pleasure from rifle butting

In RO1 it'd make your rifle more inaccurate. I don't know if that's true in RO2, but the main argument is that it makes your rifle longer which could cause problems when hiding and shooting from inside windows etc.

 

[LeRag]

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Best regards
LeRag

 

[FBOTheLiuetenant]

You guys do realize all the realism concerns will be addressed with numerous mods and mutators. TWI is just trying to make a living.. which means bringing in money ..which means making the game a little more open to the casual players. Every realism concern will be addressed by the community once the full version hits. Have patience.

This is true, but it seems like the players who truely loved how hard-core RO1 was are being forgotten all in the name of attracting new players. I am all for welcoming new people to RO, but it wouldve been nice for special effort to have been taken to ensure that not everyone has to go along with the stat progression, weapon unlock, forced weapon balance ride.

 

[Krazyxazn]

Leave how the system is. Removal bayonets isn't going to do anything with how small the maps are anyways.

In RO1 it'd make your rifle more inaccurate. I don't know if that's true in RO2, but the main argument is that it makes your rifle longer which could cause problems when hiding and shooting from inside windows etc.

Then use the first person cover system and peak out of a window instead of being a dupe standing in front of a window.

 

[Spindle]

What I don't understand: why detatch the bayonnet?

In RO1 you'd press the button to put it on at the beginning of the round anyways

unless you get sadistic pleasure from rifle butting

Having a bayonet reduces your accuracy at ranges more than 100m

 

[Krazyxazn]

Having a bayonet reduces your accuracy at ranges more than 100m

Most kills are within 150 meters in this game.