I said the same thing, then I realized the thread only applies to the second half of the XX century, so I changed my vote for uncle Billy.
And yes, screw political bullsh
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I said the same thing, then I realized the thread only applies to the second half of the XX century, so I changed my vote for uncle Billy.
And yes, screw political bullsh
That is what was saying, he didn't do anything other than being a pope.
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Also technically a person may not have lived in the period but could have done something that had an influence in it anyway. As such Lenin could be a candidate (although I don't personally think so), since his creation of the Soviet Union did have a major influence on the later half of the century.
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to be totally honest I THINK I would vote for Hitler. If I could!
don't get me wrong, he did loads of bad things, killing specific races, doing unhumanly science, making war, propoganda, spreading fear and so on and so far
but because of hitler, we are more then ever intrested trying to communicate and be in peace with eachother, because we are afraid of a next world war...
I think maniacs like Hitler makes alot of sadness. but it also gives sort of lecture to the future generations of what we did wrong and how they could make it better for themself.
its called history. and bad history dont always repeat it self.
don't get me wrong, he did loads of bad things, killing specific races, doing unhumanly science, making war, propoganda, spreading fear and so on and so far
but because of hitler, we are more then ever intrested trying to communicate and be in peace with eachother, because we are afraid of a next world war...
I think maniacs like Hitler makes alot of sadness. but it also gives sort of lecture to the future generations of what we did wrong and how they could make it better for themself.
its called history. and bad history dont always repeat it self.
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My grandmother, being from Krakow in the same parish John Paul was a priest, held him in very high regard, obviously. She is not a very devout catholic but still adheres to the faith.
My sisters, twins, were born on the same day he became the first Polish pope. It was a day of true joy for her
My sisters, twins, were born on the same day he became the first Polish pope. It was a day of true joy for her
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The change of the economic model of communism,,to a sort of free enterprise capitalistic system,in East Germany,Poland,Romania,Russia,and the splintering of The late Yugoslavia,,matters not,,than I'll ponder other people.
However,,I must add this..
I am grateful for the acceptance Thetoad has received here.To land on a site,where the main game,,,is gaming,,and an outsider,,with no credentials to speak of,,and is somewhat included,,,,Warms The Cockels,,Of My Heart,,and I honestly would like to say simply,,,,THANK YOU...
If
The change of the economic model of communism,,to a sort of free enterprise capitalistic system,in East Germany,Poland,Romania,Russia,and the splintering of The late Yugoslavia,,matters not,,than I'll ponder other people.
However,,I must add this..
I am grateful for the acceptance Thetoad has received here.To land on a site,where the main game,,,is gaming,,and an outsider,,with no credentials to speak of,,and is somewhat included,,,,Warms The Cockels,,Of My Heart,,and I honestly would like to say simply,,,,THANK YOU...
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As I Recall
As I Recall
Glasnost,,,,,Perestroika,,,was a far cry to what is happening there today.During that period,,,,, the governmental apparatchniks,simply took over those industries deemed experimental,,or open..
I remember l a visit Gorby had to a Canadian supermarket,,and he was astounded simply by the variety of bacon available to consumers.That visit may have moved him,to do what he did.
Don't get me wrong,,,he showed balls doing the things he did,,against strident opposition,,but not Thee Most Significant.
As I Recall
Glasnost,,,,,Perestroika,,,was a far cry to what is happening there today.During that period,,,,, the governmental apparatchniks,simply took over those industries deemed experimental,,or open..
I remember l a visit Gorby had to a Canadian supermarket,,and he was astounded simply by the variety of bacon available to consumers.That visit may have moved him,to do what he did.
Don't get me wrong,,,he showed balls doing the things he did,,against strident opposition,,but not Thee Most Significant.
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Dismantling and taking down the worst regime to ever see the light of day makes him probably the most significant figure in my book (for that time period at least).
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It doesn't seem like you have enough knowledge about the period to make a correct assesment. His actions was the direct cause of the fall of the Soviet Union, no more no less. Without his deliberate reform line during the 1980s and his ultimate decision not to use force against the insurrections in East Germany we would still have had a Cold War today.
There was no reform movement in the Party at that time before Gorbachev, and most historians (Tony Judt, Mark Mazower, Hobsbawm) assess that even though the economical situation in the SU was disasterous (as it had been for decades, but it lived largely as a parasitic entity off of its sattelite states), there was no pressing reason it couldn't have continued for at least another half a century.
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seeing as einstein was a scientist and his works have been ... well .. just huge in the last 60 years, I would say it is fair to consider him.
If not, then consider him with some relativity sauce, bend time, and voila he is candidate.
If not, then consider him with some relativity sauce, bend time, and voila he is candidate.
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Every Revolution Has,,,
Every Revolution Has,,,
A starting Date..for the gays,,,The Stonewall Bar,,Civil rights,,,"I have a Dream " speech .For the disintegration of communist states,,,, The Solidarity Union 1980.Through their effective strikes,martial law was imposed 1981,however they went underground and became more,,and more recognized,,,,as well as being watched by citizens in the entire bloc.Indeed,it lingered on the Body Communista,,like Pancreatic Cancer.
By their perseverance,and stubbornness,more countries ,under the yoke,,looked harder & deeper into what was transpiring.The polish military was unwilling,,and unable to deal the death blow,,because of the Conehead in Rome.
I suggest,Gorby,,saw the writing on the wall,and what was brewing,,,,so he simply yielded,,,partially.He thought throwing a little freedom,,here,,some there,,would stem the tide.He was wrong.Like that line,,,If you give in to a monkeys DEMAND FOR MILK,,,,,HE WILL THEN,,DEMAND COOKIES.
He was a politician,,nothing more,,,And he acted,,because he was forced to.
P.S.Sir Albert E. Of the Swiss,,,,is a great choice..
Every Revolution Has,,,
A starting Date..for the gays,,,The Stonewall Bar,,Civil rights,,,"I have a Dream " speech .For the disintegration of communist states,,,, The Solidarity Union 1980.Through their effective strikes,martial law was imposed 1981,however they went underground and became more,,and more recognized,,,,as well as being watched by citizens in the entire bloc.Indeed,it lingered on the Body Communista,,like Pancreatic Cancer.
By their perseverance,and stubbornness,more countries ,under the yoke,,looked harder & deeper into what was transpiring.The polish military was unwilling,,and unable to deal the death blow,,because of the Conehead in Rome.
I suggest,Gorby,,saw the writing on the wall,and what was brewing,,,,so he simply yielded,,,partially.He thought throwing a little freedom,,here,,some there,,would stem the tide.He was wrong.Like that line,,,If you give in to a monkeys DEMAND FOR MILK,,,,,HE WILL THEN,,DEMAND COOKIES.
He was a politician,,nothing more,,,And he acted,,because he was forced to.
P.S.Sir Albert E. Of the Swiss,,,,is a great choice..
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Unfortunately, while they certainly were courageous, few historians really thinks that the protest movements in Poland or Chechoslovakia had any real importance in connection with the fall of the Soviet Union.
They had a tremendous important for the political development of the countries they occurred in, especially after the fall, since many of the alternative societal structures developed was able to take over the reigns when the communist system dissolved (but in Poland also before), however there is no evidence that they influenced the overall imperial policy of the Kreml one iota.
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Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton, our economy wasn't **** like it is now. And they knew how to run a country and respect the other party.
I would also choose MLK.
I would also choose MLK.
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Clinton wasn't a terrible president, but he wasn't a great one either.
Although the economy wasn't doing too badly under his administration, it really wasn't that great either. People talk about a budget surplus, balanced budgets, etc., but that's a little bit disingenuous and misleading: the national debt still grew, and there was still a deficit. Also, Clinton's administration set the policies in place that set up the US housing bubble. (In an interesting - and usually ignored - twist, the Bush administration's attempts to fix some of those problems were shut down by Congress. It wouldn't have stopped the meltdown, but it would have contained it a lot more.)
Reagan by himself wouldn't have been particularly significant. What made him successful in breaking down the Soviet Union was having Gorbachev as his opposite number. Reagan's military buildup, with Kruschev or Stalin as his opposite number, would probably have been met with a Soviet first strike.
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