the MORTAL sin

[müller1]

The mortal sin:


I was seeing the videos on this new version of R.O. , HOS.
I understand that the tendency of the games is be always better, and with HOS it won't be different.

HOWEVER
(it has a however there yes)

I noticed a detail that left me really bothered.
The big and supreme differential of R.O. in relation to other games it was always the subject of REALISM.
And a detail exists in it that is of vital importance, that it provides a more defiant game, more perfected, besides being totally realist, and it is:

- the ABSENCE of any zoom level when it is made aim with the weapon, this SMALL zoom that is put when IRONSIGHT is pulled, as they do in COD4, or INSURGENCY, or in DOD rifles, and others , this doesn't EXIST IN R.O. OSTFRONT, and it is very good that it doesn't exist.

- to justify the implementation of this small zoom saying that he is a SIMULATION of the level of attention that a person gets to the glance through an IRONSIGHT, is a type of TORN EXCUSE.
- One of the largest and tasty aspects of the game in R.O. OSTFRONT, and that it differentiated it of ALL of the games in the market, it is exactly not to HAVE that SMALL bad-famous ZOOM.
- You run for the map, you see his enemy there the distance, positions his weapon, makes the aim, and he/she has the challenge and the pleasure of you hit him, and in the possible most realistic way.
if you have a rifle, great for you!, if you have a sub machinegun, be satisfied in you don't hit enemy so easily in so big it distances, the name of that is REALISM.
- NOW in HOS, I saw in the videos that implemented that SMALL ZOOM with ironsights, and I didn't like anything this....
you run for a scenery, and when you makes aim his enemy is simply CLOSER, causing that whole distortion in the ambient, for me that is to go in the WRONGWAY of the REALISM.
- So that to do this? if R.O. was a paradigm change in the scenery of the games, and of a lot of success and innovation, because R.O.2 has to follow tendencies of other games?
With every certainty a R.O. 2, with all of the improvements that they were drifted, and would a campaign singleplayer already reach the success and sales longed for by their developers, FOR WHAT do I ask then to put that sordid and UNREAL detail of the small zoom with the ironsight!?
FOR WHAT?
for doing the concept of R.O. to walk back?.


I know that I will buy and I will play R.O. HOS, but with this "apparently" small detail, but vital importance, I am sure that in the end of the bills I will GO BACK to good and old R.O. OSTFRONT, the first and unhappily THE ONLY to not to invent a SMALL ZOOM that doesn't exist and it is an I inconvenience useless.

This is my opinion

 

[Fedorov]

use search

that zoom has an explanation, with realistic base, and its not about "attention"

 

[Miro!]

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[LemoN]

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[müller1]

a)that zoom has an explanation, with realistic base, and its not about "attention"

which would this explanation be?


b)the verification of the implementation of this small zoom inconvenienced me because I liked a lot of verifying that OSTFRONT didn't use this zoom resource, and the realism was larger being of this sorts things out.
I also think this zoom is a thing that creates an unnecessary distortion, during the combat we do and we undo the aim constantly, zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out............. enemy (and scenery) close, enemy (and scenery) more distant,
Definitively this I don't think very realistic.

 

[müller1]

On the other hand I could ask the questions:

1 - because this resource type is used in these games ?
2 - will it be that it is not only an inheritance of the times no realistic of the aim-cross of games type CS?
3 - somebody some day complained or it felt need of this resource in the game R.O. OSTFRONT?


I judged that this is an aspect that deserves to be discussed

 

[Fedorov]

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[{Core}Craig]

USE SEARCH!

... what Federovovovovov said

also pm hoak, he is pretty exictable on this subject.

 

[[TxM]_ChrisT_]

as these guys have all said, there was a huge discussion on this and alot of us have accepted it to be realistic because TWI did go out and do research and they brought it to the forums for us. So ill say it to, the search function can be your friend sometimes. lol

 

[müller1]

The subject proposed by me, it is going a lot besides the mere answer that you ordered to research me, but i respect your opinion, sorry for this.
My text, or, my opinion raises a deeper and including debate regarding the subject.
Maybe some are willing to discuss this subject with more depth and without a lot of irritation.
Consider that I lifted a subject legitimates before any naive question, and after all I ended up asking more questions, and in a topic totally honest and legitimate
(It could also be taken into account that I have a language barrier getting mixed up in the communication, but this is not an impediment factor or nor an ethical violation, I wait)

If somebody more wants to give his opinion, or to lose some time arguing his point of view, I would find very interesting and it would be very grateful.
Thank you for the released attention.

 

[müller1]

Ok, I thank then.

 

[Fedorov]

there are TONS of pages about that, and your points and many more are addressed there, if you don't care enough to waste your time reading what has been posted, we don't care enough to waste ours discussing the same thing all over again

 

[müller1]

Before anything else:
I say that I don't regret bringing this subject again the surface and in another topic.
Because, I know, and I am sure that EVERYTHING, but EVERYTHING even in RO HOS it will be better, it will be good and all will like.
But when I saw that that crazy zoominout could appear as a fixed implement, I decided to do mine politicizes against this.

I will put mine finish post there below, I will remain silent for not creating confusion, but I will think that I did what was right and I will be in peace with my conscience.
The one that I will do of truth is:
to be with the crossed fingers, twisting and praying for the zoominout to come at the maximum as an OPTION that can be incapacitated in any good and rigorous server of RO.
Greetings to all


I made the research, I read the posts.
(and I saw that it is of the subjects that makes the nervous people, but we go calmly that a FORUM is a place for this same, to say and to argue, it is only necessary to act inside of the rules, and in the more is not necessary to irritate unnecessarily with the opinions contradict)
and I don't know if I should continue the discussion there or here, but as this nestling it is brand new and I won't prolongate myself much more in the subject, I will write here once again:

I totally disagree of saying that the zoom/in/out is a solution of " functional realism" and that it provides better " balance", and that the absence of zoom-in-out it is "aesthetic realism", I think the zoom-in-out it doesn't get better in anything the functionality of the game.
I also disagree of an opinion that says that the zoom is to compensate the vision capacity much better in the real life than in the screen of the pc (something was said similar to this), try in the real life, see the size that a person is to 100 meters of you distances and the difficulty in you get right her with an ironsight (maybe you can say that the justification of FF is the great argument, maybe, but we won't forget that in the war theater we have uniformed men with similar colors, but I don't want to use this as argument, it cannot be been worth, and, or, I should make a deepened study of FF in the real war, anyway, FF is up to now 1 argument, I see a more positive mathematics for the NO in the zoom)

In the end of the bills that I find it is that this zoominout option is a paradigm of the universe of the games, simply this, is a concept strictly FOR GAMES, and as every paradigm it can be changed with the appearance of new concepts.
Then I consider the zoominout an OBSOLETE paradigm (or better, obsolete for games that try to offer REALISM for their users)
All of the arguments of "realistic base" that you mentioned are empty arguments, badly based or even " tendentious"
(if it didn't go like this, r.o. OSTFRONT would never have been thrown WITHOUT this option, in addition it would suffer constant complaints for that reason, but the one that we see is R.O. being an ONLY game, and if no the most popular and champion of sales, at least the most exclusive, the more realist and the more loved by the aficcdfds in war and war games)


if the zoom-in-out it comes as an OPTION, I would agree and I say that the thing would happen like this:
SOME few, clan-guilds-server that respect REALISM turn off the zoom.
, but most would turn ON the zoom.
- While the game goes innovation the scale will hang for the ON zoom, but with the time, the EXCLUSIVE concept of R.O. will do with that OFF has relevance.
Most of the players, that everything that they want is some easy amusement, OTHER games that the market throws at every moment will already be playing.
- it is a consumption universe this of the gamess, but for ME, I have to defend MY INTERESTS, and these are:
ZOOMINOUT with ironsights is an implement NO REALIST, antiquated until, obsolete paradigm of the Jurassic times of the aimcross, and ready to be broken by a game that intends realism.

my 2 cents again.
( and calm , hehehe)


(and let us be sincere and objectives: it is impossible to defend with any argument that zoominout is a REALISTIC resource, to compensate this or that, doesn't make the minimum sense. AT THE most you can say that he is a resource, or technician to improve the playability, or even a marketing resource, or of AESTHETICS, it is, yes it is a resource of AESTHETICS, and no a FUNCTIONAL resource for REALISM, impossible thing )

 

[LemoN]

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[skittlesareyum47]

o god a huge ginormus post with the never ending debate of the zoom which has been covered so many times.

 

[Fedorov]

Im not even reading, apparently this guy cant be bothered with the search option... but we do have to bother answering him?, not fair IMO

 

[The Masta]

This topic? AGAIN?