The L.A.W. is slightly too heavy

[greenlemonade]

Let me start by saying the L.A.W. has its uses.
On higher difficulties it can be used to stun Scrakes and Fleshpounds. It also has a nice long range and blast radius.


That said, there are 2 reasons that the weight should be decreased:

1. Balance:
The L.A.W. weights 13 blocks leaving only 1 block for either pipe-bombs or a machete. Compare that to the M32 weighing 7 blocks allowing for a wide range of load-outs including M32, M79, Pipes and Machete.
Even though some might think the L.A.W. is better than the M32, many (myself included) believe them to be about equal. Add to this the fact that the L.A.W.(

 

[FluX]

The reason it's so heavy is cause it's so powerful. It's been tested and would become way too powerful if combined in some weapon combos.

 

[Benjamin]

2. Realism:
The L.A.W. is supposedly loosely based off the LAW80 - weight: 10kg

I'm pretty sure demo can carry something like 28 rockets, isn't that a little unrealistic in itself?

 

[vealck]

Well, I suppose reducing LAW weight by one block wouldn't be game breaking. It would allow to carry machete and pipes along with LAW, but opened no other weapon configurations.

So, 12 blocks weight seems reasonable to me.

 

[Blockbot]

Well, I suppose reducing LAW weight by one block wouldn't be game breaking. It would allow to carry machete and pipes along with LAW, but opened no other weapon configurations.

So, 12 blocks weight seems reasonable to me.

wouldnt that allow the player 2 wield something really bad *** when playing a support? like a aa12, LAW and medigun? having a medigun in that bunch would be redicoulus badass... (maybe calculated wrong)

 

[poosh]

Some time ago I've suggested to decrease LAW's weight by 1 block, allowing carrying Machete. Decreasing it by 2 blocks allows carrying Katana or Medic Gun - too much imo.
So I agree with decreasing, but only by 1 block.

 

[Faneca]

The reason it's so heavy is cause it's so powerful

Even after several buffs, the LAW can be an underpowered joke compared with the M32+M79 combo.
BUT it should be as heavy as it is for balancing but get another slight damage boost.

 

[FluX]

Even after several buffs, the LAW can be an underpowered joke compared with the M32+M79 combo.
BUT it should be as heavy as it is for balancing but get another slight damage boost.

I do agree with you on this. Everyone thinks of it being rubbish due to the lack of shots you can do BUT it all depends on the map you play. M32+M79 does pretty much any map but if you're playing a larger map where you get a lot of groups of specimens together...LAW is your best friend. You can still play decent with the LAW as you still have the LAW as a backup. The LAW is usually for those who can also use the 9mm pistol (please no one moan about that is it's pretty much a pure fact). The people who can't use the 9mm pistol usually think the LAW is a waste cause it's not powerful enough/too heavy etc etc.

I hope no one takes offence to my comment as this is my personal opinion from experience i've seen on pretty much everyone i've played.

 

[greenlemonade]

Well it definitely needs something.
As it is, it is under-powered. I would say its about as useful as an M34 but costs and weights a LOT more.

Also, whats wrong with LAW+Medic gun? That would be a nice combo with the LAW as is. Would open up more options for loadouts.

 

[greenlemonade]

The reason it's so heavy is cause it's so powerful. It's been tested and would become way too powerful if combined in some weapon combos.

tested by who? I've tested the LAW quite a bit myself and determined that its great in some instances but isn't nearly versatile enough to justify carrying it.

 

[FluX]

tested by who? I've tested the LAW quite a bit myself and determined that its great in some instances but isn't nearly versatile enough to justify carrying it.

It has been tested by the people who was in the balance beta testing with the devs. To be honest people complain cause they can't use it properly...that's it.

 

[Aze]

wouldnt that allow the player 2 wield something really bad *** when playing a support? like a aa12, LAW and medigun? having a medigun in that bunch would be redicoulus badass... (maybe calculated wrong)

Actually you calculated that wrong

AA12 weighs 10
LAW weighs 13
Support can carry 24 weight at level 6, but 1 block is always occupied by the handgrenades, which means you can carry 23 weight. Thus, Support is at the moment only able to JUST carry the AA12 and LAW together. Decreasing the weight of the LAW to 12 only allows you to carry a Machete or Pipebombs with them.

 

[greenlemonade]

It has been tested by the people who was in the balance beta testing with the devs. To be honest people complain cause they can't use it properly...that's it.

Look, this isn't just my opinion.
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=51036



As far as "not being able to use the 9mm" please remember that people using the M32 also get to use the 9mm as well as enough space and extra cash for an M79 and Machete for instance.

Lowering the weight by 1-2 would not be game shattering. It would just bring it slightly closer to the usefulness of the M32. Isn't balance a good thing?


I suppose weight is just one example of a potential buff for the LAW, but weight just makes the most sense.

 

[HaTeMe]

I think LAW is fine the way it is. Decreasing by one block would be pointless too, therer barely any difference to knife and machete as long as you go for the head, except maybe against a husk but I havent tried it.

And decreasing by more than 1 block would make demo too powerful.

Just leave it alone.

 

[ChairmanMurder[Forge]]

I remember the good old days when a demo could only carry a LAW because it was so heavy.

The current LAW+pipes or LAW+machete is good enough for me.


Although a damage or ammo buff would be nice.

 

[Utopia-Phoenix]

It is nonsense to decrease the weight to 11. You know? If LAW weights 11 then you can carry a katana(neglect the medic gun) with you.

LAW+katana loadout? That's powerful. Katana offers basic self defence. It is just overpowered.

PS: If using LAW, toss grenade first and set them off with a shot. That increases the damage.

 

[FluX]

I think LAW is fine the way it is. Decreasing by one block would be pointless too, therer barely any difference to knife and machete as long as you go for the head, except maybe against a husk but I havent tried it.

And decreasing by more than 1 block would make demo too powerful.

Just leave it alone.

It is nonsense to decrease the weight to 11. You know? If LAW weights 11 then you can carry a katana(neglect the medic gun) with you.

LAW+katana loadout? That's powerful. Katana offers basic self defence. It is just overpowered.

PS: If using LAW, toss grenade first and set them off with a shot. That increases the damage.

Pretty much explains my point. Balancing is all good and dandy but when you mess around with weight especially...make sure you have backup to try and prove your point. My point is everyone has an opinion no matter who agrees or not but unless you're balancing your own stuff or have backup to your points...I wouldn't really get involved. I don't mean any of what I said directed at anyone personally or in a nasty way but im putting it in simple terms.

 

[Aze]

Well as it weighs 13 right now, and only allows you to choose either Pipebomb or Machete, and as 11 would be too powerful of an option...

12 seems perfect to me
LAW + Pipes + Machete would be nice to be able to carry and gives the Machete a little bit of a use (albeit very niched). So decreases it by ONE weight, sure. But not more (as others also have pointed out).

 

[aesdana]

As someone who loves the LAW, Pipes and Machete as my 3 favourite weapons, I am all for this

 

[greenlemonade]

Some people are making statements assuming that the LAW is vastly superior to the the M32 which just isn't the case. At best it is only slightly more powerful. Even with the LAW's stronger damage, it is less versatile than the M32. It also has much less ammo and costs more. Now add to that the fact that it weights a crap-load more and it's obvious which is the better choice.

I can see your point that it makes less smoke than grenade spam. This makes it a good choice in a group of 6 for extra support. But it is also important in a group of 6 to deal damage efficiently and the LAW is lacking in that.

We aren't talking about the LAW weight being equal to M32. It would still weight MUCH more, even at 11 vs the M32's 7.



I also don't hear much response to the realism argument. WHY does it weight so much?