The Killing Floor Babysitters

[noupperlobeman]

I've not been playing a long time (started early in the christmas sale), but I can handle myself. Anyone thats played with me can vouch for this. Which is why I am infuriated by the number of "killing floor babysitters" that reside in the normal difficulty servers.

What do I mean by "killing floor babysitters"? Simple: the vast number of level 6 perks I see out and about when I decide to play normal servers. These are the guys that, for whatever reason, never decided to move on to higher difficulties as their perk leveled.

I don't care what their/your reason is for being there. Helping a friend, searching for potential clan recruits, or to help out newbies. This is a message to all offenders out there: I/we do NOT need your help unless I ask for it.

These people do things a level six SHOULD know not to do. Killing lone headless specimens, shooting scrakes with pistols, stealing stalker kills from budding commandos, and just generally going out of their way to kill absolutely everything in sight.

Its difficult to try to level lower perks (levels 1-3) in normal servers as these players are EVERYWHERE. I'm not looking to tell people what they can or can't do whilst they are in game, I am merely imploring them to be considerate when they see low level perks out there in game.

You're thoughts/criticisms/observations etc on this matter are welcome, keep in mind that I only use normal servers to level my ultra low level perks. I've since moved on to suicidal/hoe with my level 5-6 perks.

Edit: the above op came off a little garbled and angry sounding, here's what I've come up with recently:
The killing floor babysitters I speak of are the level six perks that purposely dominate normal difficulty servers for no good reason. I am not speaking out against all level 6 players, or any level six players that are in normal servers for reasons other than being abusive.

 

[Undedd Jester]

Actually there is a word for these people.

Spoiler!

Sad

 

[Spicy]

It's even better when they brag about all the kills they have. :[

 

[outofrealman]

I basically only heal when I want my normal achievements. Only shoot when teamate is in danger (normally they dont know they need to back off sometimes). And I can take care myself without any problem on normal anyways...

 

[the 1st wasted]

I think you will find, that a lot of those players hacked their perks, and then realized that they did not have the skill to play Sui, and HoE. So now they are on the lower diff servers, learming the game. If they are so lame as to hack their perks, then dominating on hard probably gives them some sort of thrill. Very sad IMO.

 

[Rhenna]

Since you are welcoming responses, (and, it is good of you to do so), OK, I really don't mean to be rude, but I find your complaint to be judgemental and, well, perhaps a bit pompous.

What do I mean by "killing floor babysitters"? Simple: the vast number of level 6 perks I see out and about when I decide to play normal servers. These are the guys that, for whatever reason, never decided to move on to higher difficulties as their perk leveled.

To get right to it, that is a pure presumption on your part. You do not know, cannot know, that that is so, for all, or even most, Level 6 types using Normal servers. I've no quarrel with someone who speaks out against abusive gamers, but please take a moment to focus your outrage a bit more precisely so as not to accuse an entire class of players of being somehow substandard.

I'm not looking to tell people what they can or can't do whilst they are in game, I am merely imploring them to be considerate when they see low level perks out there in game.

Here, we are in agreement.

I'm not directing the following comment at noupperlobeman, for he has done no harm to me. It just strikes me that there is a very palpable vein of elitism that permeates these forums. Yes, just to be clear, I'm using 'elitism' as a pejorative. And, unfortunately, it wraps itself about and around the genuinely good enthusiasm most of us share for this game. I've noticed it from the very first visit, and personally, I find it ugly and distasteful. I don't know if it stems from the, IMO, absolutely silly dynamic of rating individual posts up or down, and/or being so deeply involved in a game that emphasizes classes and levels so very, very strongly. There seems to be an abundance of non-stop axe-grinding as one group waits to ambush another over some perceived transgression or apparent blasphemy. Almost anything that can be used as a wedge to fracture the community is zealously employed. We're past the point of cliques; I'd say it ranges well into being tribal.

Here is where some might be expecting the, "Lighten up, guys!" phrase. But, that won't be forthcoming, as it isn't lost on me that everyone else just might be marching in-step, but me. I get to offer my thoughts, not instructions.

 

[ro_sauce]

I think you will find, that a lot of those players hacked their perks, and then realized that they did not have the skill to play Sui, and HoE. So now they are on the lower diff servers, learming the game. If they are so lame as to hack their perks, then domonating on hard probably gives them some sort of thrill. Very sad IMO.

i doubt that.
they are probably there for just a casual game, dont have to try hard, can just BS around with people, maybe just chat or whatnot.
me and s281 go into doom2 normal FF every once in a while to just kick it and chat, dont have to concentrate on playing. can just talk about what maps we're working on, throw ideas around, and occasionally kill an FP.

 

[the 1st wasted]

The way I see it is, a L6 on hard or below is the same as a L 0,1,2,3,4 on Sui or HoE, it's just not right. It's not that i am being elitist, it's just IMO, lower diff's are for players learning the game and getting their perks up, higher diff's are for players that have leveled their perks, learned the game, and want a challange. Any class below L5 on HoE is a liability, they can't earn enough money to support themselves, so they have to be overly supplied by the other players, they lack the firepower and skill to effectivly deal with zeds, and almost always end up getting themselves and others killed in the course of the round. A L6 on hard or below can simply kill any Zed the player chooses, and can kill them en masse, effectivly hampering the learning and perk progression of the other players.

 

[kablooie!]

Do what I did... Get your own server (so cheap) and kick the idiots when they start doing that bs. Woohoo!

 

[Phada]

That's probably some casual players that do not play often, or just newbs that wanna makes sure to whinne
Leveling perk takes just a lot of time and all can do it, lv6 doesn't necessary mean good or smart player.

 

[rckrdude]

Agreed OP. But it takes like 2 normal games to get to level 2, after which you can just level up on hard. Maybe level 3 to be safe from being kicked.

 

[outofrealman]

I actually dont really hate to babysit people on HoE anymore. Because you are FORCED to muti-task (killing, healing, welding, not dying) That's actually quite good of a partise.

As for playing on normal, you cant blame me. Cos I want my achievements on the new maps and solo is a joke even on HoE. But I basically heal only. I only shoot if I myself is in danger or teamate is nearly die. They dont die any time fast on normal, so I can get more healing points anyway LOL.

 

[brick_top1982]

I like to visit the lower difficulties just to help spread some knowledge or help out the newer players. One thing though, I always play as a medic whenever I do jump on a server lower than suicidal, and play as back up. Nothing more. I show fellow leveling medics what they should do, what to concentrate on. I like to prep all these becoming players to suicidal and HoE, as an effort to weed out all those annoying players that cause 80 percent of the wipes I've had .

I at least understand your frustration, nothing worse than a douche running around gloating about the number of kills they have and how high a level their perks are. Those are the "rambos" who deserve to have their computers explode.

 

[noupperlobeman]

Since you are welcoming responses, (and, it is good of you to do so), OK, I really don't mean to be rude, but I find your complaint to be judgemental and, well, perhaps a bit pompous.



To get right to it, that is a pure presumption on your part. You do not know, cannot know, that that is so, for all, or even most, Level 6 types using Normal servers. I've no quarrel with someone who speaks out against abusive gamers, but please take a moment to focus your outrage a bit more precisely so as not to accuse an entire class of players of being somehow substandard.

I did exactly that in the rest of my post, which you didn't quote.

The rest of what you said was on the nose though.

You might want to consider toning down the complexity of your posts, unless your goal is to have people franticly searching for a tl;dr somewhere. It takes a few read throughs to nail down exactly what you are saying, which is a tad detrimental when you are trying to articulate your point.

 

[timur]

Some people just take a long time to properly learn to advance; their perks go up, but they hardly learn the game. Others haven't played the game in so long that they have softened, and are forced to relearn all the necessary KF skills. As long as they aren't off bragging about their superiority or something, I'm okay with it. It's not our job to judge if they should advance in difficulty, or to somehow set a law saying which difficulty to play.

And then there are also those who play Normal occaisonally, but not as their main choice. This is to help out friends who got it recently, get achievs, or if they have had a really long day at work/school and just feel the need to play a low-stress game to relax for a second and get into the game.

Now there are occaisonally very unpleasant lvl 6s who do this to try and "pwn n00bs" and prey on newcomers, but that kind of scum is inherent to the internet, I wouldn't mind them.

 

[brick_top1982]

I did exactly that in the rest of my post, which you didn't quote.

The rest of what you said was on the nose though.

You might want to consider toning down the complexity of your posts, unless your goal is to have people franticly searching for a tl;dr somewhere. It takes a few read throughs to nail down exactly what you are saying, which is a tad detrimental when you are trying to articulate your point.

Nah, I disagree with you on your toning down bit. Its actually refreshing to see someone who is really well written(?). I say keep it up

 

[Pendragon]

Sometimes its simple not there fault there stuck on lower difficulties. With a higher difficulty comes more specimens on the map at once, particular on ****ty graphic cards the amount of specimens even on lowest settings can still bash the graphics making it extremely hard to play decently. Personally i haven't been able to go over hard on my laptop even on lowest settings. Iam sure theres worse out there though, just another theoretical reason why some people might even after getting high ranked perks continue to play on normal < servers.

 

[Sammers]

Out of all my friends, I'm the only person with any level 6s, let alone all of them, so when they decide to play normal; I play Normal. If you label me as one of these people, what do you suggest? I stop playing alongside my friends?

No

 

[Spicy]

Out of all my friends, I'm the only person with any level 6s, let alone all of them, so when they decide to play normal; I play Normal. If you label me as one of these people, what do you suggest? I stop playing alongside my friends?

No

I think that noupperlobeman doesn't mean the level 6's that help out/ work with friends to get map achievements. He means the ones that kill-whore on normal, competing against level 2's and 3's because they want to get 600+ kills. Because, as we all know very well, kills equal skill.

I'm in the same boat as you Sammers. Thankfully most of the people on my friends list are done with normal, and almost done hard.

 

[FSUBoo]

If I play in a normal server, it's either to help a friend get an achievement, or I'm totally bored and don't feel like challenging myself. Also, sometimes normal can be a good way to practice certain things, which you yourself have seen me do Upper with axing FPs. Practice makes perfect. Also, if a friend of mine is in a normal game and I just flat out playing with them, I'll go to that server but I usually will either take medic duties or just screw around killing enough to help out but not forcing the kills down people's throats.