The Grinding

[tomme25]

I'm kinda in the middle on this issue. Of course, progression in games are fun, but I don't know If I enjoy it that much in multiplayer games like Red Orchestra.

One example. Bought Bad Company 2 for the pc. Played it for a few hours, it was fun. But then I noticed that alot of weapons required some real grinding. So after this discovery my mood while playing changed. Instead of playing for just having fun, I started playing just to get that precious XP, and while doing that I was not having the same amount of fun that I had in beginning. I told myself "Man, after I unlock that weapon I'm going to play the game again just to have fun". That never happend. I grew tired of the game. When I quit I still had alot of XP left to grind to get that damn weapon.

I never got this feeling when I started to play the original Red Orchestra. It was just plain fun. Never felt the force to do well all the time, to get that XP.

Anyway. This worries me a bit. I mean, some grinding could be fun, but at the same time I'm affraid that RO2 will end in the same way. At least for me.

So, how do you all feel about this?

 

[MrLebanon]

well its not grinding if its fun and easy

BFBC2 (the example you gave) required little to no grinding... after playing for around 30~ ish hours you had everything, no extra effort required

Grinding refers to world of warcraft style
where you have to do boring, monotonous tasks to for hours on end to get a single piece of better armour


RO2 is fun and engaging
if you play and have fun, the unlocks will come
i haven't played enough to figure out unlock times yet though.
I hope it isn't like Killing Floor... that was a grind. Level 1 was easy, then level 2 they want you to kill however many hundred infected to get another level

so far RoHoS hasn't felt like that though

 

[twiggy550]

If you look at the advantages you get for leveling a weapon, they're pretty minor and pale in comparison to other games that have a level up system in place. As far as multiplayer shooters go, this one is probably the least grindy. Honestly I don't even play to level the xp bar because the rewards are minor for the most part, and if there was a leveling system in place, this is the way to do it, imo.

 

[tomme25]

Hehe, okay, I guess I was pretty terrible in Bad Company 2 then

Played a lot but never got all the unlocks. For me, that game felt like a real grind.

You need level 25 I believe in RO2 to unlock the bayonet, a pretty standard thing. I don't know if it's going to take a long time to reach level 25, but it sure sounds alot of time. If it does, I can see that this can turn into a grind for the player that really want that basic equipment.

 

[boOzy]

If you actually go for the objectives and do team actions you get huge amounts of points compared to say killing people. You can do level 25 in no time at all like this. Same in Bad Company 2.

 

[LHeureux]

World of Tanks grinding....

 

[Nenjin]

I see no grinding. I'm just having fun and I happen to be gaining levels while doing it.

 

[CrazyFingers]

I don't think it's grinding unless you want it to be. If you think the game will magically change because you have a certain weapon you are wrong.

The real grinding are in MMOs because they want to keep you as long as possible.

 

[Reise]

I've said it before for RO2 and KF: If it feels like grinding to you, you're playing for the wrong reasons.

 

[tomme25]

I see no grinding. I'm just having fun and I happen to be gaining levels while doing it.

I don't see any grinding either. Not yet any way. The only thing is that I'm a bit worried about it, because of my feelings towards Bad Company 2.

 

[tomme25]

I don't think it's grinding unless you want it to be. If you think the game will magically change because you have a certain weapon you are wrong.

The real grinding are in MMOs because they want to keep you as long as possible.

Okay, but I read something that the mp44 will be a late unlock, and from I can gather that rifle was a beast.

So that weapon might change your gameplay for the better, if it's anything like it's real life counter part.

If you are coming from RO1 you might want to use that weapon, because maybe you were performing well with it. But if you have to wait for a certain level to be able to use it, it might put some people in the state of grinding. Like me

 

[luciferintears]

This is one of the few reasons i've stopped enjoying online fps' lately. I dont play much, but when i do, i just want to jump in and start playing; i dont want to deal with unlocks, customization, etc

i dont want to play 50 hours so i can unlock a bayonet. i dont want to play 50 hours so i can compete with the ppsh drum mag users.

RO2 may be one of the last online fps' i buy; after playing fps' since quake i think i'm ready to call quits and put it all away. i'm no longer enjoying it anymore...

 

[DiedTrying]

well its not grinding if its fun and easy

I've been playing a lot recently with PPSH, DP, and MG34 exclusively

I haven't reached level 10 with any of them...

It's not easy

 

[Manzuk]

I've been playing a lot recently with PPSH, DP, and MG34 exclusively

I haven't reached level 10 with any of them...

It's not easy

The grind won't be too bad, a lot of servers are taking out all the level requirements for certain things so that everyone gets the same thing.


I know some servers will allow everyone to have PPSH drum mags, no double-mag Mp40's, MG34's with belt magazines, no silencers, no bayonets for the sniper rifle, no MP44, etc etc etc.

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

I'm kinda in the middle on this issue. Of course, progression in games are fun, but I don't know If I enjoy it that much in multiplayer games like Red Orchestra.

One example. Bought Bad Company 2 for the pc. Played it for a few hours, it was fun. But then I noticed that alot of weapons required some real grinding. So after this discovery my mood while playing changed. Instead of playing for just having fun, I started playing just to get that precious XP, and while doing that I was not having the same amount of fun that I had in beginning. I told myself "Man, after I unlock that weapon I'm going to play the game again just to have fun". That never happend. I grew tired of the game. When I quit I still had alot of XP left to grind to get that damn weapon.

I never got this feeling when I started to play the original Red Orchestra. It was just plain fun. Never felt the force to do well all the time, to get that XP.

Anyway. This worries me a bit. I mean, some grinding could be fun, but at the same time I'm affraid that RO2 will end in the same way. At least for me.

So, how do you all feel about this?

I own both BF2 and BC2 and I hated the weapon unlock systems they had mainly because they took forever to accomplish. BF:BC2 isn't as bad as BF2 when it comes to how long it takes, but I certainly wouldn't relate BC2 to RO2.

For starters, in BC2, most of the classes don't have their main weapons or equipment available from the start. Medics don't get medkits or paddles, Assault doesn't get ammo packs, Engineers don't get the repair tool or AT mines, or decent rocket launchers and the recon doesn't get mortars, or motion sensors, etc.

And to add on top of all the above, BC2 gives higher leveled players body armour, armour protection for vehicles, magnum rounds, etc. which makes it even harder for new players to take them out, while they can use body armour to take more hits and use magnum rounds to take you out with less.

In RO2, you don't get extra body armour or special ammo, you get additional weapons or different ammo mags, but no weapon suddenly becomes more superior over another.... one round in the chest or head with any weapon and you die..... so trying to grind to unlock these features isn't as important as it is in other games such as BC2 where if you don't grind, you're stuck at a disadvantage.

I'm looking forward to it in RO2.

 

[MrLebanon]

I've been playing a lot recently with PPSH, DP, and MG34 exclusively

I haven't reached level 10 with any of them...

It's not easy

yeeaaaaaaah.....

first night tonight on official TWI servers (and earlier today)
i hit around 8 on the mosin rifle
doing semi-decently

but
as stated previously, most of the upgrades are minor (unless your looking at the end result - eg mkb42 and whatnot)

and also
if you play for fun
without your mind thinking "i need this many more kills to unlock _____"
it goes by quite quickly

the levels i hit tonight were just having fun with a boltie

Besides - even the starter weapons that we have are enough to do major damage when handled correctly
it's not like CoD where people who have leveled have extra advantages like super robotic reload speeds


then of course, you could always by DDE and get the rare weapons early
and if u buy RO1 first - the extra 10 percent you get off dde covers the cost off of RO1
and you get the bayo day 1

 

[Krazyxazn]

World of Tanks grinding....

You don't know the meeting of grinding until you have played World of Tanks

You play a bazillion games to finally get enough credits to unlock a new tank and your new tank performance worst than your previous tank until you grind a bazillion more games to level up that tank only to a buy a new tank that restarts the cycle

 

[DiedTrying]

yeeaaaaaaah.....

first night tonight on official TWI servers (and earlier today)
i hit around 8 on the mosin rifle
doing semi-decently

but
as stated previously, most of the upgrades are minor (unless your looking at the end result - eg mkb42 and whatnot)

and also
if you play for fun
without your mind thinking "i need this many more kills to unlock _____"
it goes by quite quickly

the levels i hit tonight were just having fun with a boltie

Besides - even the starter weapons that we have are enough to do major damage when handled correctly
it's not like CoD where people who have leveled have extra advantages like super robotic reload speeds


then of course, you could always by DDE and get the rare weapons early
and if u buy RO1 first - the extra 10 percent you get off dde covers the cost off of RO1
and you get the bayo day 1

it's possible some of my stats didn't save though

 

[Oddball_E8]

Also, dont forget to play only on ranked servers, as those are the only ones that count towards xp and such...

i made that mistake the whole first day of playing the beta (mainly because i could only connect to servers through the friends selection)

 

[MrLebanon]

Also, dont forget to play only on ranked servers, as those are the only ones that count towards xp and such...

i made that mistake the whole first day of playing the beta (mainly because i could only connect to servers through the friends selection)

i have made that mistake until today.. after 15 hours of gameplay