The Elder Scrolls V

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Esh325

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I'll never understand people that only like the Elder Scrolls games for the mods.

It's not even as if there have been many notable ones beyond models and textures. There were some overhauls for Oblivion but all it really did was add a buttload of new enemies and change how level scaling works. There are some quest mods but only a handful even stay lore-friendly.

It's nice for playing with new things, but it surely isn't the main draw of the game.
The only mods I had for Morrowind were graphical, the game is pretty old so it's hard on the eyes. Oblivion I could enjoy without any mods. Skyrim will probably be the same.
 

Josef Nader

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Corrections in bold ;). But then, that's merely my personal tastes, the general public tends to regard Bethesda's games highly.

Speak for yourself (which is exactly what you did). I've never been disappointed by a TES game. All of them fully live up to the hype, despite the technical problems.

I'd much rather play an ambitious, buggy game than a safe, technically solid game. Every TES game has stretched what current generation stuff was capable of to a preposterous degree. Mods only serve to fix what's broken and add more content. The world they present is solid, immersive, and entertaining, even if it's execution is less than perfect. Mods simply bring out the best and minimize the worst. The mods wouldn't fix it if it wasn't already close in the first place.

Plus, I'm guessing you never played Morrowind. Oblivion was a big step down from Morrowind's depth and world-building, but Todd has said multiple times that they're trying to recapture a lot of the mystery and wonder of Morrowind in Skyrim. It's going to feel less like Generic Fantasy World XXIV and more like it's own living, breathing world with a deep and interesting mythos and traditions. Cyrodill is just plain uninteresting next to Morrowind. Skyrim looks to be shaping up to be more like Morrowind in many respects.
 
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[-project.rattus-]

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Speak for yourself (which is exactly what you did). I've never been disappointed by a TES game. All of them fully live up to the hype, despite the technical problems.

I'd much rather play an ambitious, buggy game than a safe, technically solid game. Every TES game has stretched what current generation stuff was capable of to a preposterous degree. Mods only serve to fix what's broken and add more content. The world they present is solid, immersive, and entertaining, even if it's execution is less than perfect. Mods simply bring out the best and minimize the worst. The mods wouldn't fix it if it wasn't already close in the first place.

Plus, I'm guessing you never played Morrowind. Oblivion was a big step down from Morrowind's depth and world-building, but Todd has said multiple times that they're trying to recapture a lot of the mystery and wonder of Morrowind in Skyrim. It's going to feel less like Generic Fantasy World XXIV and more like it's own living, breathing world with a deep and interesting mythos and traditions. Cyrodill is just plain uninteresting next to Morrowind. Skyrim looks to be shaping up to be more like Morrowind in many respects.

Hmm, actually, you're quite of the mark. I too like quirky, buggy games that have a certain something that gets me hooked (cue ArmA, Mount&Blade).
And I loved Morrowind and have played it through numerous times, including the addons. I also created dozens of different characters to experiment and fool around with.

But the newer bethesda games all left me cold. The spark wouldn't ignite. Oblivion and Fallout 3 both kind of felt soulless and unappealing to me, so Im played through Oblivion once and never through fallout, but not for lack of trying. I actually really would want to like them, I have both currently installed but gave up on both after a few hours again. Can't really put my finger on it, though.

So I'm not exactly hyped about Skyrim, and definately won't buy it now. Perhaps when it's cheaper or there's a GOTY edition with all the DLC.
 

Murphy

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Nice deal, man.

I'm in a little pickle here. My brother and I both want the game. I would have pre-ordered it on Steam otherwise, but we don't want to have to buy it twice so we can both play it. His computer is the next room. I know, I know, licenses, you only pay for usage, blah blah, screw you.:p This doesn't seem right.
So I went to pre-order it on amazon or whatever and what do I find out? Apparently even the retail version registers with steam? Is this correct?

And another thing: The German version of Morrowind was quite alright. Voice-acting was (surprisingly) just as good as in the English version and the translation itself was good too. They just made the mistake of translating places too, which broke compatibility with mods that were made for the English version and had references to places...
Which made the German version, well localized as it was otherwise, which is rare enough anyway, more or less useless.

I don't even know how compatibility is affected by this in Oblivion, because the German version is atrocious to begin with. They have like one voice actor for males and one for females and technically they should be called voice reader, not voice actor. The frustration-filled "why WON'T YOU DIE?" became a curious inquiry, and the translation as such was horrible as well. "Mara's Gift" became Mara's Poison, because in German "Gift" means poison... So compatibility be damned, the German version isn't the one to get!

I don't want to take a gamble with Skyrim because I know something is going to be wrong with the German version anyway. Be it compatibility, the translation, the voice acting, or, even if it's perfect in every way, the garbled salad of languages once you install some of the bigger (and thus predominantly English) mods.

Did they do that thing again, where the German version and the English version are two separate games? Because I couldn't find an English version on Amazon, but it didn't say it came with other languages on the German version I found. What to do?
 

Josef Nader

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*Questions*

If I were you, pirate/buy Oblivion and install this:

http://www.nehrim.de/

A team of German modders felt very much the same you did, and did a massive, story-driven total conversion of Oblivion. Even dealing with the English subtitles, it's a fantastic mod. I imagine it's a lot better in it's native German, but I can't speak the language.

Sadly, I can't answer your questions. Sorry mate.
 

DraKon2k

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Nice deal, man.

I'm in a little pickle here. My brother and I both want the game. I would have pre-ordered it on Steam otherwise, but we don't want to have to buy it twice so we can both play it. His computer is the next room. I know, I know, licenses, you only pay for usage, blah blah, screw you.:p This doesn't seem right.
So I went to pre-order it on amazon or whatever and what do I find out? Apparently even the retail version registers with steam? Is this correct?

And another thing: The German version of Morrowind was quite alright. Voice-acting was (surprisingly) just as good as in the English version and the translation itself was good too. They just made the mistake of translating places too, which broke compatibility with mods that were made for the English version and had references to places...
Which made the German version, well localized as it was otherwise, which is rare enough anyway, more or less useless.

I don't even know how compatibility is affected by this in Oblivion, because the German version is atrocious to begin with. They have like one voice actor for males and one for females and technically they should be called voice reader, not voice actor. The frustration-filled "why WON'T YOU DIE?" became a curious inquiry, and the translation as such was horrible as well. "Mara's Gift" became Mara's Poison, because in German "Gift" means poison... So compatibility be damned, the German version isn't the one to get!

I don't want to take a gamble with Skyrim because I know something is going to be wrong with the German version anyway. Be it compatibility, the translation, the voice acting, or, even if it's perfect in every way, the garbled salad of languages once you install some of the bigger (and thus predominantly English) mods.

Did they do that thing again, where the German version and the English version are two separate games? Because I couldn't find an English version on Amazon, but it didn't say it came with other languages on the German version I found. What to do?
Yep, steamworks exclusive.
 

LightsabeR

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I think that's a decision you have to make on your own, you know your own preferences better than anyone else.

Me, I'd hold off making that decision until Skyrim comes out.
 

Verluste

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I think that's a decision you have to make on your own, you know your own preferences better than anyone else.

Me, I'd hold off making that decision until Skyrim comes out.
Ive seen the developer-blablacommercialhowdoIsellthis speech about the game, but the developers all seem very relaxed and what they say is really detailed. I think you get a huge bang for your buck when you buy this in either way.

But I think I will follow your strategy nevertheless. You never know what you gonna get till it's out.
 

Verluste

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Nice deal, man.

I'm in a little pickle here. My brother and I both want the game. I would have pre-ordered it on Steam otherwise, but we don't want to have to buy it twice so we can both play it. His computer is the next room. I know, I know, licenses, you only pay for usage, blah blah, screw you.:p This doesn't seem right.
So I went to pre-order it on amazon or whatever and what do I find out? Apparently even the retail version registers with steam? Is this correct?

And another thing: The German version of Morrowind was quite alright. Voice-acting was (surprisingly) just as good as in the English version and the translation itself was good too. They just made the mistake of translating places too, which broke compatibility with mods that were made for the English version and had references to places...
Which made the German version, well localized as it was otherwise, which is rare enough anyway, more or less useless.

I don't even know how compatibility is affected by this in Oblivion, because the German version is atrocious to begin with. They have like one voice actor for males and one for females and technically they should be called voice reader, not voice actor. The frustration-filled "why WON'T YOU DIE?" became a curious inquiry, and the translation as such was horrible as well. "Mara's Gift" became Mara's Poison, because in German "Gift" means poison... So compatibility be damned, the German version isn't the one to get!

I don't want to take a gamble with Skyrim because I know something is going to be wrong with the German version anyway. Be it compatibility, the translation, the voice acting, or, even if it's perfect in every way, the garbled salad of languages once you install some of the bigger (and thus predominantly English) mods.

Did they do that thing again, where the German version and the English version are two separate games? Because I couldn't find an English version on Amazon, but it didn't say it came with other languages on the German version I found. What to do?
Cant you buy it in the Netherlands?
 

EvilAmericanMan

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Ive seen the developer-blablacommercialhowdoIsellthis speech about the game, but the developers all seem very relaxed and what they say is really detailed. I think you get a huge bang for your buck when you buy this in either way.

But I think I will follow your strategy nevertheless. You never know what you gonna get till it's out.

Well one way to look at it, military shooters are a dime a dozen. There's only one elder scrolls.

Me I have/will have both, if I had to choose I'd go Skyrim every time.
 

Fedorov

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What do you think if you had the choice but only 50 USD/EU in your pocket, spend money on Skyrim or spend it on BF3?

At the risk of sounding like Mr.Obvious:
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Hint: Is not BF3.
 
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Bluehawk

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There's a letter for "ei" and one for "ey", so I'm not sure if Skyrim has to be spelled with A+I. But seeing as they're making it up as they go along, I guess we'll find out eventually the "canonical" spelling.