The Brute :: Final Release

[FluX]

I never said make it "easier for zerk". Now you are using lies in your argument...
You can't tell me to not post here. It's not your forum. Don't be so aggressive.

To all you nice modders who make this wonderful zed:
I'm trying to help. I'm trying to make him very different from FP and scrake killing. And hard. But, as I've said: It is YOUR zed and I understand if you are conservative about changes simply because my idea doesn't fit into the exact same role as the one you thought about while creating him. The changes were just too big, and the implications would make him into another zed. Ultimately incorporating my suggestions might have made him a bit less of "your own" zed.

I again declare all my suggestions null/void/false.
I understand that I can not prove his behavior to be hard for zerk without showing you, and that the suggestions might fit a completely different zed more.

And I will enjoy your brute the way he is also. He is fantastic anyway. I will not "ignore the mod and not play it". Why would I? I like him, like I said in my first post.

Yes my posts were long and if you didn't comprehend I don't blame you. I can only blame myself for being unclear. Actually no one seems to understand me so it must be my fault. I have to get better at explaining :Q
And I can understand if you think my first posts had a tone of "make it easier" in it. Unintentionally. It wasn't what I meant to say. I tried to show what I really meant in my other posts but I didn't get my point through.
Sorry.

I never meant to nerf him or irritate any of you, and hope that we can still be friends
I understood your purpose with the brute from the beginning, but I understand it even better now. Though my suggestions weren't meant to alter his rate of success to reach those goals.

I have learned something from this thread anyway, and will apply those lessons when making suggestions for the shiver. You aren't rid of me yet
You are such a good source of inspiration you can't blame people from getting ideas.

I was not actualyl telling you not to post at all, only for what this argument me and you got into so we could get back on topic, that's all.

Thanks for that conclusion you had there though as it has cleared up why the majority of our argument was rather off.

P.S. Here is the part I see you saying to make it easier for zerkers:

Also my requirment for KF official status approval is a way for zerkers<3 to be able to solo them without taking damage. It doesn't have to be easy (preferably hard, that's even better) but theoretically any other perk has the ability since they are ranged, only fair. If you can stun them with a well timed headblow/get behind them (solo)/avoid attacks/anything else to solo them then I'm satisfied

 

[Qon]

Spoiler!

Off topic so I'm unqluttering with a spoiler tag.
Well that is like saying I want it easier. No way I wouldn't interpret it the same as you if I didn't know what I have in my head and the ideas that came up after that post (still wasn't what I meant there though xD)

I still see my idea as valuable and would like to see it in another zed since the need to get behind is completely different to the play style for any other zed. Well it is applied a bit in the brute though.

If you apply all the nerfs I suggested (or more like hinted ninja style) in the list when I compare scrake and my version of the brute then maybe someone has a chance of see a glimpse of my general idea. But that is the past and PM/new thread is the appropriate way of communication for anyone still interested.

I've come to understand that TWI doesn't care at all if something fits the KF style/game play/quality for whitelisting. The only thing they qare about is if it will be exploitable for perk leveling. Since it is qompletely optional this approach wont ruin game play since you just choose another server if you don't like it.
This sounds like I dislike it but I think it's admirable to whitelist the craziest mut designs that just makes the game harder because those who enjoy harder-than-HoE qan still be kept satisfied this way and it has no drawbacks (KFImpossibleF mut is whitelisted is but will not EVER be a part of the default gameplay). It gives more power to the community.

That is why I firmly believe that TWI making requests for flame panic and stun animations (if they did lol? not sure... ignore this if they didn't) to fit with the other KFZeds is a clear indicator that this isn't considered for whitelisting. It is considered by TWI for official acceptance on every server automagically ;D
So the discussion here about official recognition must have some truth behind it, qongrats.

And why does it spawn at wave 2 when it is strong as scrake/FP (depending on situation)?
It spawns very early by default.

 

[halbridious]

Its a speciman designed to be hard. I put it on the same difficulty level as the husk, siren, and scrake (FP has another level above them IMO, but anwho) where you get screwed if you don't pay attention, but can deal with them if you're ready. It makes you think of your approach, makes you scream to your team to shoot while he chases you, but he's workable. Which is why I dislike adding a zerk exploit - If you make it so a zerk can kill them special, like the silly scrake stun, you've given them yet another major advantage and one in which they won't need anyone else. You mentioned one way of having "back attacks" which is silly to me. Because if you truely are behind him and alt-fire an axe or claymore or katana into his head, he's almost gone. What more do you need?

 

[Qon]

Read "spoiler" halbridious and others who wants to discuss off-topic info. Others can skip it.

Spoiler!

Spoiler tag for the same reason as prev post....

I though you guys were tired of this discussion but here I get more responses directed to my abandoned suggestion (abandoned since it was unfit and initial posts described him i a bad way). Judging from your latest post halbridious I can see that you haven't read my newer posts and ask you kindly to not discuss my suggestion without all the facts and after the topic is closed.
The conclusion was that I did not want an exploit for zerks. Explanation redundant. See earlier posts.

I will only explain my suggestion further if Hemi says that it's OK to discuss my suggestion in this thread. Until stated otherwise I will consider Hemi as the leader of the brute group. Same with my suggestions off-topic status.

I recommend that you also add spoiler tags to not clutter this thread with off-topic discussions. Preferably do not answer at all (about my suggestion) since that discussion has ended. Please help the thread creator keep the thread focused on the brute. Hemi hasn't officially declared my suggestion off-topic so it's not a forum ban waiting for discussing it but I who brought it up am censoring these parts out of respect and consider it off-topic. Please do the same you too, if you can't help answering grey zone off-topic.

And have something on topic to say so that it doesn't become a completely censored post with no value for those who don't de-censor with the button.

But if he dies that easily then my zed will get a health boost so he isn't that easily killed.... I hope I will meet him in game soon so I can see how weak he is.
If I actually make one, I can only program and do a bit of modeling. And I've never tried unreal stuff. But I've tried enough languages to learn a new one fast and easily...

 

[Hemi]

Cosmetics update is here!

- Texture Updated
- Animations Updated
- StaticMeshes Updated

As you can see he finally has visible metal plates now. The package is pure cosmetics so the whitelisting stays intact.

DOWNLOAD

 

[Hemi]

http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.192.72.200:7707/

check out the new skin here

(new brute installed on this server)

 

[FluX]

Cosmetics update is here!

- Texture Updated
- Animations Updated
- StaticMeshes Updated

As you can see he finally has visible metal plates now. The package is pure cosmetics so the whitelisting stays intact.

DOWNLOAD

Mate this looks sweeeeeeeeeeeet! Shame im not fond of him but he looks the part I tell you that! Great work!

 

[Infernalslayer]

This looks simply amazing ,going to try this out right now to see it in game

 

[halbridious]

goodie! These don't include any behavior changes rhowever, correct?

 

[Infernalslayer]

Tried this in game, looks neat, first time you will see this you will suppose it runs slower due to the change of the run animation but it is exactly the same threatening and fast as before, so gratz to the modders who worked on this!!!

 

[Hemi]

No behavior changes. Hence it still beeing whitelisted. This change had to be made a long time ago. Enjoy.

 

[sheaownsaford]

No behavior changes. Hence it still beeing whitelisted. This change had to be made a long time ago. Enjoy.

We need more chainsaws! TWO OF 'EM!! :IS2: :IS2: :IS2:

 

[Hemi]

im not saying anything...

 

[Infernalslayer]

We need more chainsaws! TWO OF 'EM!! :IS2: :IS2: :IS2:

Someone is reading my mind
Also hoping for a Shiver whitelisting some time.

 

[n87]

Also hoping for a Shiver whitelisting some time.

Someone is reading my mind

 

[halbridious]

Someone is reading my mind

THERE ARE WAAAAY TO MANY JEDI MIND READERS UP IN HERE. I'm seriously freaking out

 

[Infernalslayer]

A Jedi's work or http://www.myfacewhen.com/90/

 

[EpharGy]

Someone is reading my mind

Me too!

 

[PiX]

I'll gladly add this sob to my new story map, LerwickWonder.

 

[EpharGy]

I'll gladly add this sob to my new story map, LerwickWonder.

Just remember that depending on how you add it, your map may not run on servers that dont run The Brute.

It's a good idea to get more servers using The Brute though, I for one am in support of high quality maps that require The Brute installed