Tanktowers should blow off

[Todesblitz]

Hi!
I have read some stories about tankbattles during WW2 and in all of this stories it was common that the towers were blown off. At least when a Tiger shot a T34 or smaller tanks. Is this a hard nut to crack graphicaly? Many with me would really love if the towers could blow up if you hit at the right spot.

 

[Revelation]

In the UT 2.5 engine, yeah.
Also you coul only do that when some insane caliber gun like the IS2's 122mm cannon or the Maus/Jagdpanther's 128mm cannon hit tanks with weak turret armor like the Panzer IV, Panzer III Or is rare cases the T34.
It's easier to pop the lid off a can of Nazis due to the Panzer IV's maximum turret armor being 30mm and that of the T34 being a whopping 90 mm if I recall correctley.
Also it's called a turret, btw.

 

[Zbojnik]

I heard that the turret of a T-34 tended to come off easily.

 

[Cnnbs]

In the UT 2.5 engine, yeah.
Also you coul only do that when some insane caliber gun like the IS2's 122mm cannon or the Maus/Jagdpanther's 128mm cannon hit tanks with weak turret armor like the Panzer IV, Panzer III Or is rare cases the T34.
It's easier to pop the lid off a can of Nazis due to the Panzer IV's maximum turret armor being 30mm and that of the T34 being a whopping 90 mm if I recall correctley.
Also it's called a turret, btw.

If ammostore of a tank gets hit, anything is possible,use your imagination(back them up with photos)

 

[Jono]

Correct me if im wrong, but Shermans were also prone to this happening weren't they?

I've read some accounts of Shermans have they turrets propelled right into the air when under fire from Tigers.

 

[Rak]

I always get amused how cupolas in RO bounce every single shell in the game

 

[[VFD]HH]

Especially the Pz4 cupola (or maybe I'm just more used to firing at it cause it sticks out more.) Eitehr way, the Cupola blocks shots from IS2s better than the front side of an angled Panther blocks PTRD shots.

 

[Recce]

Correct me if im wrong, but Shermans were also prone to this happening weren't they?

I've read some accounts of Shermans have they turrets propelled right into the air when under fire from Tigers.

Generally when a tank was hit by an armour piercing shell, it would make a nice little hole, of the same size as the shell calibre. Sometimes the armour plate could fail catastrophically, but this was due to manufacturing defects in either the structure or due to the alloy being brittle.
If a turret was "ripped off" a tank, it was due to an internal explosion of the magazine and/or fuel. It wasn't due to the shell physically knocking it off.

The 88mm projectile used by German was (off the top of my head) about 20lbs and had a bursting charge of between 45g to 60g (depending on the exact type).
This shell isn't going to "rip" a turret of a tank.
The bursting charge was so small because it's purpose is to destroy the shell, not to directly destroy (the internals of) the tank by an explosive force.
The other reason to keep the bursting charge as small as possible is maintain the structual strength of the shell while penetrating the armour. The size and shape of the HE filler on early Russian 76mm shells was a contributing factor in the problem with the shells shattering.

Will post pretty pictures of tanks later.
EDIT:
These pictures are of shattered (brittle) armour on Pather tanks. The damaged areas are larger than the shells that produced them.
Pics originally posted by Wokelly

And a T-34 who's fuel tanks have exploded.

And T-34 after the magazine exploded.

And a KV-1 after the magazine exploded

And a KV-1 hit in the turret by an 88mm

 

[Funker42]

From my understanding, turrets pop off usually when the ammo burns off into an explosion. If there is a simple penetration of the turret, it won't knock the turret off.

Which is why there is less change an 88 will cause this because it will simply go through one side of the turret and out the other.

Usually involving a dead tank crew member...

 

[Bolt]

This shell isn't going to "rip" a turret of a tank.

Actually, it could do that also. I've seen a photo of some parts that were once a German tank. AP round of KV-2 (that's a 152mm there) hit it. It literally smashed all the upper part of the tank.

 

[merder]

And there's quite a difference between smashing a turret and making it fly off the tank. As has been said before, only an explosion in the magazine of the turret could accomplish that.

 

[Rapp]

tanktowers lol what a noob.

 

[Recce]

Actually, it could do that also. I've seen a photo of some parts that were once a German tank. AP round of KV-2 (that's a 152mm there) hit it. It literally smashed all the upper part of the tank.

"Literally smashed". So the armour failed catastrophically.
I still hold that turrets thrown clear of the tank were due to an internal explosion, such as the magazine and/or fuel.
And that the calibre wasn't that important, just so long as it penetrated the armour and started a fire and/or explosion.

BTW, as I posted, a German 88mm shell was 20lb.
A 152mm HE shell, of a M-10 howitzer was about 88lb and a Naval semi-AP was about 112lb.
Unfortunately I don't know the type shells the KV-2 was issued with.
I have to confess, I'm getting the 152mm shell weights from Wiki (the shame of it ), as I can't translate this page of Russian. http://www.soldat.ru/doc/mobilization/mob/table17.html

Panther hit in the hull by a 152mm shell, and turret by 57mm or 76mm

 

[Rak]

Come on Recce, we're not talking about how crappy the Panther was here. The thread is about how turrets should be blown up

 

[Cuddles]

If the shell was very heavy and flat, MABY then the turret could have plown off.

 

[Deathsai]

When this topic was brought up earlier, I think it was Yoshiro who showed that most of the rounds in the game by themselves would barely move the turret at all.

 

[ozgurak87]

And a T-34 who's fuel tanks have exploded.

This is not a T-34 btw it's a Mickey Mouse

 

[Freischuetz]

tanktowers lol what a noob.

Not necessarily. It's just that the German word is the same for tower and turret. It's just bad english.

 

[cooperr]

lets get first rit of all the tanks.. and get them back in game when they work proper.. the current health system the tanks have just suck.. they should fix it with stuff like suggested in this thread.. damage a tank.. not damage a health bar

 

[Bolt]

I've tried searching that photo or at least page where I read about 152mm round tearing turrets off the tank, but with no luck.
Only found this photo, but I'd say this time KV-2 hit the ammo storage.