Just by virtue of using multicrew positions with no AI DH tanking is totally inferior to what we have in RO2. I have never, ever heard anyone justify forced multi-crew tanks in a shooter convincingly.
Tanks, Quantity or Realism?
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Field Marshal Rommel
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I don't know about everyone else but I would rather have tanks with correct super detailed interiors. In case you didn't know the Ausf.F2 and/or G in the game is using the interior of an Ausf.A which is as incorrect as you can get. This is what it should have looked like:
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DH might lack AI crewman but that is not the only criteria which upon one decides which game is inferior or superior when it comes to gameplay in general.
On the other hand AI bots diminish the incentive to team tank in RO2, and it forces ppl to use the mouse for aiming in RO2 (which others don't seem to like) and ofc the AI shooting and shouting, flooding the chat with commands and whatnot annoying things on top of that so the AI type solution isn't perfect either. Well at least the AI style beats the FH2 etc style tanking were you don't even feel that you are in a tank, where it makes you feel that you are the tank. Compared to the FH2, the forced multi-crew tank system in DH is way more immersive, which justifies it.
I do say that the AI-style system in RO2 is a good idea but it still needs tweaking in some aspects, + the other plethora of stuff that needs to be looked at when it comes to tanking;
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=65420
I am on the other side of the argument then. I really don't care if some bolt is in the wrong place and if the interiors are super detailed, heck 99.9% of the time I don't even look at the interiors. Imo though having a interiors makes it more immersive but the details are not that important to me. Gameplay first, historical nitpicking later, i would say
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THX to post my Kingtiger
and it is already in RO1 (i am the modeller of the Revenge of the turul mod team)you can watch it in action from 11:35
RedOrchestra.PL - Revenge of the Turul FightNight (2011.08.18) - YouTube
BTW bacause we also want to made a mod for RO2 i need some info from the interrior of the Panzer 38(t) so if somebody have infos plz share whit me
Variety please. Yes the interiors look nice, but I would rather have a choice of vehicles than two or four with shiny interiors and a single tank specific map to play on.
Again, the animations look nice too, but when you are playing you don't notice or care about them. Far better to get some more choice and more maps to play on.
Again, the animations look nice too, but when you are playing you don't notice or care about them. Far better to get some more choice and more maps to play on.
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Pretty interiors are nice but are also a very inefficient use of creative effort, IMO; tankers spend 99% of their time looking out of their tank, not admiring the bevel and chamfer on interior bolts. More variety and working tank model needed first; couldn't care less about photo-realistic interiors, add those later - low priority.
Yeah, because tanking was such a team activity in RO1 right? Give me a break. Everyone jumped into tanks for themselves. Hell if you got in someone's tank you would usually be asked to jump out.
Real players can refuse to follow commands or follow them poorly. Even when they listen they will never respond as quickly as a real tank crew. See I can nitpick too!
No, the FH devs just understand you can't waste player spots on superfluous roles which would go unused by everyone except clanners anyway. FH2's tanks don't "feel" like tanks because of the BF2 engine's technical limitations. My only problem with the tanks in the game is that they feel too light. Hardly a deal breaker for the variety.
Of course it does, but DH's tank design is not what it should be based on.
just look at the video posted from Greenhorn
that was so cool playing the game and now look what ro2 has become
that was so cool playing the game and now look what ro2 has become
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Field Marshal Rommel
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Public teamplay on splat and the wild bunch certainly before the 50plyr era was pretty good at times.
I used to tank with the same 2 guys who became my first steam friends and we did very well, although the fact that often our scores - win or lose - were many times higher than the next guy's might prove your point that team tanking was a rarity (and therefore even more successful)
RO1/DH sucks in team tanking, and mostly because of the lack of proper communication system but also cos u can do stuff more efficiently most of the time alone. RO2 goes even further in taking away any remaining incentive to do team tanking.
It is not wasting when it brings more immersion. It brings so much more to the game when u have to think if/when u can put ur head out of the hatch.
I am not sure what u mean exactly with DH's "tank design" but DHs tank gameplay in general has a lot things better than RO2 although things that are worse as well.
RO2 should have incorporated a lot of stuff from DH to the tanking aspect.
Players vote with their feet which can be seen as there is hardly ever even 1 full tank server out there.
With no explanation as to *how* it takes away from team tanking.
I hate buzzwords, and "immersion" is a buzzword. You can't measure it, and it's totally subjective so you can't design a game around it. What's "immersive" to you is not to someone else.
DH's tank design has one thing over RO2, variety. I'm saying this as an avid player of both games. God gamers are so conservative nowadays.
"Change? OHHH NOOOOOO"
Be patient with vehicles, the effort and work required to model a vehicle is 4 times what it took for vehicles in RO1 and DH. As with RO1 when it first came out I was happy when they started adding new vehicles about a year or so later.
What DID RO1 ship with anyway?
I'm a fan of the tanks to be honest, but I wish it was a server side setting to enable tank commanders to open/close their slots. (I also wish each bot counted as a ticket.)
I rather have fewer, well done tanks that come out over time than a pile of half baked cheap effort.
You should read my previous posts so I don't have to repeat stuff.
Immersion indeed is a subjective matter. Some are just fine with arcade and Mario-kart style tanking. Others want more. It makes a lot of the immersion (read: claustrophobia) in Dh when u drive a JP or JPz and can't literally see sh*t. You can use this to ur advantage when u r an allied and engage these tanks. Shoot them once and hide before they see u. It drives the JP driver crazy when the vision is so limited. Other thing is the ability to put ur head out of the hatch. It it sometimes really essential to know when not to do it or u get sniped but u have to do it a lot to see what is happening in ur sides/rear. All of this is missing from FH2 for example.
And ofc change always brings opposition, that is natural but I hardly doubt that any one wants to go back RO1 style tanking with RO2 graphics. Some changes are good and indeed needed but there are now so many issues in RO2 tanking that the new changes brought about that need fixing. It is not the changes per se that bother me, it is just the way they were implemented. And heck, I wanted to see more changes and stuff that DH got right to be implemented to RO2. I would also like to see FH2 (PR/BF2) style squad system and A2 style voip system in RO2. I am the first to admit that DH is not by any means a perfect game. It just has good features and gameplay (though mostly on the custom maps). RO2 still needs more content and tweaking.
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