Sway is WAY too small

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NoxNoctum

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Hmm... are you able to do the same with a full length bolt action? (or an M14 would be close enough I guess).
 

Paas

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Hmm... are you able to do the same with a full length bolt action? (or an M14 would be close enough I guess).

Are you serious!? ...an M14 is almost 2lbs heavier than every bolt action rifle in this game. Furthermore, a fully equipped M16 is heavier than all of the bolts in this game. RCO + PEQ15. Hell, throw in the M203 and things get really silly.

But to answer your question directly, since I have had plenty of time behind M14s, yes. Is it harder than an A4 with a forward assist? Sure! Is it affecting my ability to hit targets at 200M? No.

-Paas
 

NoxNoctum

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Cool, well I stand corrected, thanks for the info. Nice to have some people with military experience on here.

(I was more thinking about length btw, that's why I mentioned M14)
 

tonton-bob

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Nissa la bella ( or nice ;)
Sway definitely needs to be increased, same goes for hip sway ( ie restoring hip shooting which is gone now ).

It's unrealistic to be able to run for 30 sec then get up aim 200 m withouth even breathing of course.
And I dont care what any soldier can pretend here. Let's put up some videos of actual soldiers doing this ( in a training environment not even a life threatening one ).

And I suggest that you ignore THD's troll :eek:
 
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Scarf Ace

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Sway feels increased in "hardcore" (what a silly word) realistic mode, and there's definitely an impact upon it after sprinting.
I remind you guys again that hitting at 100 meters or even 200 is not very hard in real life and can be done even when you're a bit unsteady. 300+ is where sway is meant to really have an effect, and it seems even these new maps don't reach that far :(
 

tonton-bob

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300+ is where sway is meant to really have an effect, and it seems even these new maps don't reach that far :(

When they appear ( and they will someday ) you will able to run out of stamina, be able to stand up and take a perfect shot ( breathe control kicking in ) at any range possible with the new gameplay features ( fov zoomed in ).
This doesnt do it for me.

Some of the new features were needed ( less recoil, fov zoom ) but I guess they introduced a sort of imbalance that is hard to control
 
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Paas

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Sway definitely needs to be increased, same goes for hip sway ( ie restoring hip shooting which is gone now ).

It's unrealistic to be able to run for 30 sec then get up aim 200 m withouth even breathing of course.
And I dont care what any soldier can pretend here. Let's put up some videos of actual soldiers doing this ( in a training environment not even a life threatening one ).

And I suggest that you ignore THD's troll :eek:

So you don't care that people with experience are not conforming to what you want to be true?

I can't argue with that. You are still wrong though.

-Paas
 
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tonton-bob

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So you don't care that people with experience are not conforming to what you want to be true?

I can't argue with that. You are still wrong though.

-Paas

So yo are telling me that you can run 'full force' for 30 sec then get up standing ( quite important ) then aim with a roughly 4Kg weapon at any range with PERFECT accuracy without taking any breath and thus having no sway at all for an unlimited time ? ( cause this what your avatar is capable of in-game )

Sir you are a uber commando ( like any single soldier in WW2 it seems )

I dont mind the no sway when you're at full stamina but this is just ridiculous.
In addition to not being realistic it changes the way you play as you can run everywhere for quite a while now and be in a perfect condition to bring iron sight in half a sec and have perfect accuracy.
This is one of the reason I think why the old realism ppl ( whom I dont belong too ) and many old school fans feel weird about the game
 
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Josef Nader

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So yo are telling me that you can run 'full force' for 30 sec then get up standing ( quite important ) then aim with a roughly 4Kg weapon at any range with PERFECT accuracy without taking any breath and thus having no sway at all for an unlimited time ? ( cause this what your avatar is capable of in-game )

Sir you are a uber commando ( like any single soldier in WW2 it seems )

I dont mind the no sway when you're at full stamina but this is just ridiculous.
In addition to not being realistic it changes the way you play as you can run everywhere for quite a while now and be in a perfect condition to bring iron sight in half a sec and have perfect accuracy.
This is one of the reason I think why the old realism ppl ( whom I dont belong too ) and many old school fans feel weird about the game

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If you would RTFT, you would see that he just finished this exact same argument with another chucklehead.

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tonton-bob

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relax man ;)

It's ok, all soldiers receive special 'Wolfenstein treatment' since WWII. This is why they do not need to breathe after running and can have perfect aim at any range :)

and besides
I honestly don't see anyone nailing someone out of a full sprint at over 200m
There you go, there is indeed a weird feeling about your avatar being able to do so in game all the freaking time.

Also can you compare nowadays soldiers training with conscripts training in the 40s ?
 
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Paas

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So yo are telling me that you can run 'full force' for 30 sec then get up standing ( quite important ) then aim with a roughly 4Kg weapon at any range with PERFECT accuracy without taking any breath and thus having no sway at all for an unlimited time ? ( cause this what your avatar is capable of in-game )

Sir you are a uber commando ( like any single soldier in WW2 it seems )

I dont mind the no sway when you're at full stamina but this is just ridiculous.
In addition to not being realistic it changes the way you play as you can run everywhere for quite a while now and be in a perfect condition to bring iron sight in half a sec and have perfect accuracy.
This is one of the reason I think why the old realism ppl ( whom I dont belong too ) and many old school fans feel weird about the game

Any range? Really? That's not... you know what, I don't have time for this. You know what I said and what I didn't. I'm not going to play this game with you. You're still wrong, regardless if I decide to go back and forth with you.

We will just agree to disagree.

-Paas
 

tonton-bob

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The game is the current situation allow perfect aim at any range after a 30 sec full speed run.

It might sound good for you at close range ( < 200m ) and I could agree with this but when it is "map possible" ( and it is already now in some situations ) you will be able to do the same at longer range.

I dont think this needs a lot changes, a bigger sway when standing and after running while aiming at long range ( since you wouldnt notice it at closer ones ) would do the trick.
 

Eug_C

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i didn't pay extra to get into beta.

but this is proving to be quite worrying.
i thought i bought a realistic game.