Suicidal and HoE still not not optimal fun-factor...

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greenlemonade

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Funny thing is that I see less and less berserkers now a days.

My bad! 6 months ago I tried playing some Suicidal (I usually play Hard with friends). Almost every game ended in Berserker spectating.

I just played a couple of games now and it seems to have changed. You're right, there ARE less and less Berserkers. It might not be an unbalance at all. it's just very annoying when people spam Rambo Berserker and it results in their whole team dieing but them.

As of tonight at least, I take back my statement. Suicidal is fun. :)
 
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FSUBoo

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How about explaining why "nope". Join any random Suicidal/HoE and its about 70% likely that everyone but the Berserkers and Medics die. This isn't the case of course when you have a cohesive team that works together, but good luck with that. :p

That's just the problem, sph34r and I do have a totally cohesive team that we run with, and the members of this group can even carry low levels on HoE pretty competently, so I guess you could say we're spoiled.
 

scary ghost

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Suicidal and HoE have soooo much potential if we get away from the "Spectate the Berserker" mode. :)

There are plenty of camping games featuring support, sharpshooter, and demo.

That's just the problem, sph34r and I do have a totally cohesive team that we run with, and the members of this group can even carry low levels on HoE pretty competently, so I guess you could say we're spoiled.

You are spoiled. You have a level 0 firebug who can handle himself on HoE using only a lar+axe and a useless idiot who runs stupid load outs like aa12+scar+ebr support or ak+dual hc sharpshooter.
 
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FSUBoo

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There are plenty of camping games featuring support, sharpshooter, and demo.



You are spoiled. You have a level 0 firebug who can handle himself on HoE using only a lar+axe and a useless idiot who runs stupid load outs like aa12+scar+ebr support or ak+dual hc sharpshooter.

Lol very true, very true. I haven't seen that level 0 in a while though :p
 
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omega5

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I realize this has been discussed, but was upset that the update still didn't attempt to address it.

Ever since the creation of these Suicidal/HoE, most matches end up the same. Everyone who isn't playing a level 6 berserker or medic ends up sitting and spectating a berserker run around killing things for 5+ minutes...


The classes are wonderfully balanced for Normal and Hard but without a speed-boost and ammo box spawns, the other classes camp or die.

It has been suggested that all classes receive a non-stack-able, small (%10) speed boost on Suicidal and HoE. This will give them the option to run away and regroup and balance the Medic and Berserker.
Ammo boxes should also spawn and respawn throughout the level to encourage relocation. This would also serve as another buff to all classes but berserker.


Suicidal and HoE have soooo much potential if we get away from the "Spectate the Berserker" mode. :)
Dude most people camp anyways its how the game is played your not supposed to run around and kill everything thats the way you die
 

greenlemonade

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I think I didn't state it well.
I love camping. Its fun. I also love running around Rambo style. Diversity of gameplay is a wonderful thing, but Suicidal/HoE is too homogeneous. This is because Medic and Berserk are too powerful. Adding speed boost and ammo would allow all classes to run and gun and get away. Its only a little one (10%) and Berserker/Medic still have higher speed. It would balance classes too. Camping is good. So is running. :)
 
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sph34r

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How about explaining why "nope". Join any random Suicidal/HoE and its about 70% likely that everyone but the Berserkers and Medics die. This isn't the case of course when you have a cohesive team that works together, but good luck with that. :p

Downvotes are yummy. Anyway here's your overwhelming proof that you're mistaken:



Yes, note the choice of diction. These are 6 separate maps with different team and weapon set-ups in each scenario. The one constant is that they're all camping games - do you still think there's any sense to what you're saying?

Oh yeah in case this wasn't clear enough, these games were all held on public servers.

edit: oh wow I just noticed you said AK + dual HCs. I'll have to try that, that's BRILLIANT
 
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scary ghost

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I think I didn't state it well.
I love camping. Its fun. I also love running around Rambo style. Diversity of gameplay is a wonderful thing, but Suicidal/HoE is too homogeneous. This is because Medic and Berserk are too powerful. Adding speed boost and ammo would allow all classes to run and gun and get away. Its only a little one (10%) and Berserker/Medic still have higher speed. It would balance classes too. Camping is good. So is running. :)

You don't need speed to kite. Some perks do it better than others sure, but all perks are perfectly capable of kiting. The rest is up to the player. I also don't know why you keep talking about ammo problems either. Any smart player will never run out of ammo over the course of a wave regardless of play style.

In addition to sph34's video, have a look at this one.

Hey look at that. A flamethrower wielding demo and 2 sharpshooters kiting with 3 zerkers. Yup, they TOTALLY ran out of ammo during the wave, couldn't keep up with the zerkers, and died only to watch the 3 zerkers run around for the remainder of wave 10.
 
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EpharGy

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I think I didn't state it well.
I love camping. Its fun. I also love running around Rambo style. Diversity of gameplay is a wonderful thing, but Suicidal/HoE is too homogeneous. This is because Medic and Berserk are too powerful. Adding speed boost and ammo would allow all classes to run and gun and get away. Its only a little one (10%) and Berserker/Medic still have higher speed. It would balance classes too. Camping is good. So is running. :)


And then you lose more of the uniqueness of each class, and the uniqueness of alot of the core KF gameplay.

hmm what 'other games' does running and gunning sound like?
 

greenlemonade

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Downvotes are yummy. Anyway here's your overwhelming proof that you're mistaken:



Yes, note the choice of diction. These are 6 separate maps with different team and weapon set-ups in each scenario. The one constant is that they're all camping games - do you still think there's any sense to what you're saying?

Oh yeah in case this wasn't clear enough, these games were all held on public servers.

edit: oh wow I just noticed you said AK + dual HCs. I'll have to try that, that's BRILLIANT

Read my posts. I said I like camping. its great. But far too many games are filled with Berserkers.
 

greenlemonade

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Sep 20, 2010
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Funny thing is that I see less and less berserkers now a days.

My bad! 6 months ago I tried playing some Suicidal (I usually play Hard with friends). Almost every game ended in Berserker spectating.

I just played a couple of games now and it seems to have changed. You're right, there ARE less and less Berserkers. It might not be an unbalance at all. it's just very annoying when people spam Rambo Berserker and it results in their whole team dieing but them.

As of tonight at least, I take back my statement. Suicidal is fun. :)
 
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FSUBoo

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My bad! 6 months ago I tried playing some Suicidal (I usually play Hard with friends). Almost every game ended in Berserker spectating.

I just played a couple of games now and it seems to have changed. You're right, there ARE less and less Berserkers. It might not be an unbalance at all. it's just very annoying when people spam Rambo Berserker and it results in their whole team dieing but them.

As of tonight at least, I take back my statement. Suicidal is fun. :)

I think what it is, people are realizing that berserker takes hardly any skill at all to play, so they are going on to perks that require more skill. Also, if you'd like feel free to add me on steam under the same name as here and we can play sometime :D
 
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sph34r

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K really, just out of curiosity - is there someone going around with an alternate account down and upvoting the posts here?
 
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greenlemonade

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I dont know! I know that I'm getting craploads of negs myself!

I just made a suggestion and when people disagreed I even recanted and I get neged 4 more times for it! What the heck people. I'm just trying to give feedback on an awesome game...

I've been neged a total of 16 times and I think I'm being completely reasonable. Someone is messing with me. :)
 
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poosh

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Off-perk kitting (i.e. non-zerkers) is very exciting. Much harder and challenging, but game feels different and interesting that way.
 

Undedd Jester

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Funny thing is that I see less and less berserkers now a days.

Funny, same here, but that might be because I stopped playing for a couple of months after I realised I was spending 80% of my recreational time watching people run around the map with a katana. Pretty much what the op described.

So has Zerker kiting run its course now? I hope so. If it has I might start playing again :)
 

FSUBoo

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Funny, same here, but that might be because I stopped playing for a couple of months after I realised I was spending 80% of my recreational time watching people run around the map with a katana. Pretty much what the op described.

So has Zerker kiting run its course now? I hope so. If it has I might start playing again :)

I might be spoiled because I have a large group of friends that play frequently with and most don't play berserker often, BUT I actually have seen more camp zerkers in pubs lately than kiting.