Stop the incredibly easy and unbelievable hipfiring MGs!!!

[Clowndoe]

#1: That's not Vietnam, you haven't given anything to make us think that it was more common in Vietnam than in WW2. I'm sure it was pretty common, but it wouldn't be for picking off individual Viet-Cong.

#2: Once again, stamina-drain won't stop people from rambo-ing because if you're shooting you're jogging anyway.

A .5 second set-up for hip-firing seems like the way to go to me. If you run into someone at any range not set-up he will have the advantage. Is the problem not solved?

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

Keep in mind people, that the biggest complaint is hip-firing while on the move, and to a lesser extent while standing still. Also the fact that the mg is always in a ready to fire position when you should need a mouse click to get it there...

 

[Clowndoe]

If hip-firing while standing is a problem, then perhaps it could sway while not in iron-sights could be the solution. I don't believe in putting a gamey mechanic like cone-of-fire because I feel that if an enemy has learned how to point his weapon without sights, he deserves the kill. And if you're facing him and you haven't killed him first, then you deserved to die.

 

[Nikita]

Keep in mind people, that the biggest complaint is hip-firing while on the move, and to a lesser extent while standing still. Also the fact that the mg is always in a ready to fire position when you should need a mouse click to get it there...

The "Always Ready" position is actually super annoying. A machine gunner can be running blindly like an idiot up a set of stairs in one instant, and all he has to do is release the shift key to unleash 47-50 rounds of rifle ammunition at an enemy.

As for the MG34 sling, in the two authentic clips showing Germans hip-firing the MG34 in combat (both are stationary, btw), neither uses the sling. At a guess, it appears that the sling is awkwardly short.

I think the real question still remains. How much RL weapon experience do most of these people have that are talking realism?

Plenty. I've fired about a thousand rounds so far this year alone, and there are members of this forum that make me look like the most casual of shooters. Seriously, I'm no stranger to the whiff of powder, the sting of hot brass, broken fingernails (god damn I hate rental Rugers), or protesting eardrums, but I'm a child next to some of our resident experts.

So... tread carefully.

Just for fun, let's see what I've shot this year so far...
SCAR-17, two AR-15s, Glock 17, Glock 19, Type 54 pistol (TT-33 clone), S&W Model 66 (in .38 Special), Mosin-Nagant Model 1891/1930, PS-90, Ruger 10/22, Colt M1911, Beretta 92, and some unknown rental .22 pistol.

 

[r5cya]

The "Always Ready" position is actually super annoying. A machine gunner can be running blindly like an idiot up a set of stairs in one instant, and all he has to do is release the shift key to unleash 47-50 rounds of rifle ammunition at an enemy.

As for the MG34 sling, in the two authentic clips showing Germans hip-firing the MG34 in combat (both are stationary, btw), neither uses the sling. At a guess, it appears that the sling is awkwardly short.



Plenty. I've fired about a thousand rounds so far this year alone, and there are members of this forum that make me look like the most casual of shooters. Seriously, I'm no stranger to the whiff of powder, the sting of hot brass, broken fingernails (god damn I hate rental Rugers), or protesting eardrums, but I'm a child next to some of our resident experts.

So... tread carefully.

Just for fun, let's see what I've shot this year so far...
SCAR-17, two AR-15s, Glock 17, Glock 19, Type 54 pistol (TT-33 clone), S&W Model 66 (in .38 Special), Mosin-Nagant Model 1891/1930, PS-90, Ruger 10/22, Colt M1911, Beretta 92, and some unknown rental .22 pistol.

i'm pretty sure he meant "who's fired a lmg". if not "who's fired the mg34". not the various rifles and pistols we all shoot. i'm a range matser and get a chance to shoot five days a week, but i'm not going to claim that all that shooting gives me any edge in a machine gun discussion.

p.s. is that scar-17 yours? they're a bad-*** rifle!

 

[Golf33]

Keep in mind people, that the biggest complaint is hip-firing while on the move, and to a lesser extent while standing still. Also the fact that the mg is always in a ready to fire position when you should need a mouse click to get it there...

This.

Oh, and disable leaning while the gun is in hip firing position. Just look at the third-person animation for this to see how dodgy it is - the gun really does appear to weigh almost nothing.

Maybe a good compromise is to make these changes in Classic only? Then the mobile gun turrets will still be available in Realism along with the rest of the super-soldier stuff, and those of us who prefer to acknowledge the limitations of an exhausted, hungry trooper can do so without our immersion being broken.

 

[ross]

No, these changes should be made to Realism as well. I don't like Classic and I don't play it. I also don't like complete bull like the current MG hipfiring system.

(I stand by my opinion that Classic shouldn't even exist, and that Realism needs to lose everything that doesn't agree with its name - starting with experimentals)

 

[Nikita]

i'm pretty sure he meant "who's fired a lmg". if not "who's fired the mg34". not the various rifles and pistols we all shoot. i'm a range matser and get a chance to shoot five days a week, but i'm not going to claim that all that shooting gives me any edge in a machine gun discussion.

p.s. is that scar-17 yours? they're a bad-*** rifle!

Ah, if that's what he meant, then I'm as green as the majority of us.

No, the rifle belongs to a relative. I don't have anywhere near the necessary amount of disposable income.

 

[Joseph-Porta]

#1: That's not Vietnam, you haven't given anything to make us think that it was more common in Vietnam than in WW2. I'm sure it was pretty common, but it wouldn't be for picking off individual Viet-Cong.

#2: Once again, stamina-drain won't stop people from rambo-ing because if you're shooting you're jogging anyway.

A .5 second set-up for hip-firing seems like the way to go to me. If you run into someone at any range not set-up he will have the advantage. Is the problem not solved?

Then you get the situations: you stand there seeing enemy come at you, you try to shoot but the insta raised weapon of the enemy beats you because you have an annoying delay.

Or the fantastic RO1.. Hey I have a MG.. I point it at you at 5 meter range..my bullets shoots around you..



Increase sway by ALOT when moveing with the MG?

 

[ross]

Then you get the situations: you stand there seeing enemy come at you, you try to shoot but the insta raised weapon of the enemy beats you because you have an annoying delay.

This seems entirely fair to me. If you're worried about being ambushed, just have your pistol ready?

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

Then you get the situations: you stand there seeing enemy come at you, you try to shoot but the insta raised weapon of the enemy beats you because you have an annoying delay.

Or the fantastic RO1.. Hey I have a MG.. I point it at you at 5 meter range..my bullets shoots around you..



Increase sway by ALOT when moveing with the MG?

Yeah, for the most part that's it. What, you think we didn't know that when that is exactly what we are advocating?

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

This seems entirely fair to me. If you're worried about being ambushed, just have your pistol ready?

Just not to be a d!ck about it, I always use my pistol when I am on the move. I have only killed with the mg undeployed when I have been surprised just as I'm getting ready to deploy it and then it is panick fire. Half the time I get killed, the other half the other guy.

 

[Joseph-Porta]

This seems entirely fair to me. If you're worried about being ambushed, just have your pistol ready?

Rabblerabblerabble

Spoiler!

Why spend ages to pull a pistol out of a holster, pop some slugs that does not kill unless you hit headshot or heartshot when I in reality can just yank up a weapon that can solve 900 problems a minute turn around and shoot when i get ambushed?

besides.. Those ambushers tends to be hip shooting while running Semi Auto riflemen anyways.. little pistol does rarely win against those hipsters =/

Dont get me wrong, I have seen 2-3 those who walk around and rambo, and I -can- see the problem with people useing it as a big SMG.. but tbh, the last months I havent seen one.. and I doplay a lot of RO =S I just dont get the rage on the MGs when you have people hipstering around with Semi auto rifles, they're just as bad. if not worse imo.

Tweak it, but dont break it.. atm we have the most realistic MGs in any game made.

in fairness I can live with haveing to stop and rightclick to "raise the weapon".. as if aiming with it like the delay in ironsights they have added lately. By aiming I mean pointing the MG in the direction look as you do now.

 

[ross]

Make the 'ready' stance take the same amount of time as ironsights do for riflemen, and then slow movement speed waaaay down. They can defend themselves, and if it's needed they can fire on the move... but no more zigzagging around the map hosing people down like they're carrying the PPSh's bigger, scarier brother.

Hipping with semis and even the PPSh can be really effective, but the MG is just insane... especially when people play nothing else and get really good at judging it. They may not be a majority, but when you're up against them, ugh.

It also means that people are sitting in buildings with their MG rather than doing what they should be. I've seen this quite a bit recently.

 

[Clowndoe]

Then you get the situations: you stand there seeing enemy come at you, you try to shoot but the insta raised weapon of the enemy beats you because you have an annoying delay.

That's actually what I intended. If you encounter someone with an SMG or a rifle bayonet, then he should win. It discourages MGers running into buildings and going on the assault. Like Ross said, if you're going to be on the move as a machine gunner, then you should have your pistol ready in advance. You still have a disadvantage against, say, a semi-auto rifle, but that's life. If you don't want to be the one who stays behind and provides cover, then switch class.

 

[Joseph-Porta]

That's actually what I intended. If you encounter someone with an SMG or a rifle bayonet, then he should win. It discourages MGers running into buildings and going on the assault. Like Ross said, if you're going to be on the move as a machine gunner, then you should have your pistol ready in advance. You still have a disadvantage against, say, a semi-auto rifle, but that's life. If you don't want to be the one who stays behind and provides cover, then switch class.

yes.. but if this is implemented.. then do something about hipstering running Semis too D=

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

Hip-firing semis are much more believable than the mgs in the game now. Why stop there? Let's do something about the hip-firing bolts too! Seriously its mgs that are the problem...

 

[Joseph-Porta]

Hip-firing semis are much more believable than the mgs in the game now. Why stop there? Let's do something about the hip-firing bolts too! Seriously its mgs that are the problem...

Nice nice..
Like ross say
Make it a choise.. such as between lumbering around slowly with the MG on hip (with the raise weapon to fire maybe). or jogging (now you can zigzag around) with the pistol in hand.
The pros and cons should be enough with that imo.

Gods why am I still awake, no wonder I cant think properly.

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

Nice nice..
Like ross say
Make it a choise.. such as between lumbering around slowly with the MG on hip (with the raise weapon to fire maybe). or jogging (now you can zigzag around) with the pistol in hand.
The pros and cons should be enough with that imo.

Gods why am I still awake, no wonder I cant think properly.

Go to sleep man, its late there!

 

[Clowndoe]

What? 2 in the morning I guess? Yeah that's kind of late... for a little babby.