Stop the incredibly easy and unbelievable hipfiring MGs!!!
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I don't know maybe I downloaded some kind of weird version it was from **cough cough** torrent I know that Arma 2 is for free but, I wanted to test Operation Arrowhead. The version I downloaded had some updates for it that I don't recall seeing them on other Arma 2 websites so maybe it wasn't vanilla but such a feature would be cool for Ro 2.
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No, it does not. This is not a feature in the Arma games, even if your pirated version came bundled with a mod that included it (Let's just say that sound strange...).
Also, what you describe and show in the videos is, at most, comparable to RO2's method of letting you brace weapons on surfaces... Except in the Arma mods, you somehow need a bipod to do that. Other than that, there is no deploying the bipod-mounted weapon, and they do not behave like bipod-mounted weapons (You still swing them around like a normal weapon, rather than pivoting on the bipod).
Basically, your entire "this would be nice" feature, as shown in the actual videos you link, already exists in RO2. The features your calling for not only do not exist (Or do not exist in the way you imagine) in the source you're citing, they're often already done better in RO2 anyway. The use of bipods in RO2 is already far better than what your videos show for Arma 2 mods.
As I have posted in this thread before, the idea that hipfire stance is somehow tiring or seriously restricts mobility is incorrect.
The weapon is still putting 26lbs of weight onto the sling which is on your shoulder. Which way the barrel is pointing is completely irrelevant.
The only way to get some rest is to put the gun down or put it across your back, which is obviously retarded in a close combat situation.
Also, nothing prevents you from jogging or even running at a good speed and pointing the weapon forward. You'd have a hard time aiming and controlling the recoil though.
Best wishes,
Daniel.
The weapon is still putting 26lbs of weight onto the sling which is on your shoulder. Which way the barrel is pointing is completely irrelevant.
The only way to get some rest is to put the gun down or put it across your back, which is obviously retarded in a close combat situation.
Also, nothing prevents you from jogging or even running at a good speed and pointing the weapon forward. You'd have a hard time aiming and controlling the recoil though.
Best wishes,
Daniel.
It did. If you google for it, it's like the 10th or 15th pic where a guy is peeking through a window with mg34 carried via sling.
That seems correct taking in consideration the Slings. However without the slings I assume those restrictions are correct. Hmm interesting
I guess that changes everything. However, hipfiring with a full 250 rounds belt would be too heroic to say the least, maybe impossible. And still, since stairs, stamina, inertia, rate of turn, don't help making MG hipfiring a lot more realistic... It almost feels like we are using them as ''light'' SMGs
The sling doesn't change anything significant, for several simple reasons.
The sling certainly lightens the load, but you still have to have your left arm extended and keeping the barrel raised at minimum. You also have to push the weapon forward so that you can reach the grip comfortably without having to reach behind your back to pull the trigger.
Next, THE SLING IS ATTACHED TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE BARREL AND THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP. See image below. Rely on the sling alone, and the weapon will roll upside-down. You need to exert an opposing force to the torque exerted by the weapon's center of mass and the tension force of the sling to prevent the weapon from flipping.
And if you want to control any sort of recoil, you better have a correspondingly better grip on the weapon. The sling alone will NOT help with recoil control, that I assure you, and your shoulder is not there to absorb the shock.
You will need to exert more effort to actually be ready to fire.Finally, leaving the weapon to rest on your shoulder during hipfiring is suicidal if you need to swing the weapon around at all. If your life depends on trying to make a 90-degree turn around a corner and spray down a hallway, any soldier with half a brain will pick up the weapon's weight with both arms and exert every bit of necessary force to swing that weapon around. It's elementary rotational dynamics. It will turn faster if you put more force behind it. You can put more force behind it with your two hands.
In close quarters combat, you WILL be holding the majority of the weapon's weight to make sure you can maneuver it quickly and control the weapon's path so it doesn't clip the doorframe on the way out.
Look closely at that picture Sarkis linked. The soldier is holding a good part of the weapon's weight. (He would also need to worry about burning his left hand).
Do I also have to mention that you have to take the sling off to deploy the weapon properly? All the more reason for an iron-sight keybound hipfire mode.
So sure, if you're lazy, you could let the entire weapon's weight sit on your shoulder sling and blaze away while holding the pistol grip daintily with your right hand while eating a sandwich with the left. You won't hit a thing, the weapon will flip itself over, and if a Russian appears on your left, you'll be dead before you can awkwardly turn the weapon around to bring it to bear.
Cheers,
Nikita.
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Slow walk only. Iron-sights button-press to enter/exit hipfire stance please. That's all I have to say.
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Well, I have to admit, what Nikita has pointed out really is truthful. There are many complexities to this problem. The solution to me, presents it self with balance. Hipfiring should not be impossible nor so much limited in speed, restrictions. Howerver, machineguns, specially the MG34 are very heavy weapons. And that has to account for some considerations, namely being, stamina, inertia, rotation speed, recoil and controlability that are far worse than those of a submachinegun. Now those things listed... are hardly taken account off in present RO2
The sling sure helps, to some extent. So maybe we do both things:
Have a Hipfire stance that we need to enter in order to hipfire the weapon
But at the same time, make it so that it isn't as restrictive as ROOST's hipfire stance
The sling sure helps, to some extent. So maybe we do both things:
Have a Hipfire stance that we need to enter in order to hipfire the weapon
But at the same time, make it so that it isn't as restrictive as ROOST's hipfire stance
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There is no "without slings". Without slings, your arms would fall off in the first couple hours, especially with an MG.
If one somehow managed to lose the issued sling and not obtain another, a sling can always be made out of two belts or rope+padding.
Best wishes,
Daniel
Fair enough, you'll have to extend your left arm and push the forward a bit with the right (although the center of gravity is also towards the back, so not that much). But it's much easier to push a weight suspended by a sling than lifting said weight (just try pushing 200 pounds hanging on a rope, compared to lifting 200 pounds). Your left arm will also have to do very little work as all the weight is going through the sling to the shoulder.
Yep, that is true. It would really be quite annoying to use a weapon like that. There are a number of simple solutions though, e.g. wrapping the sling clockwise around the barrel and counter-clockwise around the stock (may shorten it too much tho), making two loops with the sling, or just taking some thick wire and making improvised sling hooks above the barrel.
And if you want to control any sort of recoil, you better have a correspondingly better grip on the weapon. The sling alone will NOT help with recoil control, that I assure you, and your shoulder is not there to absorb the shock.
Finally, leaving the weapon to rest on your shoulder during hipfiring is suicidal if you need to swing the weapon around at all.
This last sentence. I can't understand it.
All correct.
I just don't understand why you assume I advocate hipfiring one-handed. In fact, I described proper hipfiring technique couple pages earlier in this very thread. It's very similar to what a soldier is doing in Sarkis's picture, although slightly less restricted (sling on the right shoulder).
Why? Look at the guy at Sarkis's picture. If he gets up and walks/jogs, will the gun magically turn into an alligator and devour him?
I can agree that the recoil should be increased somewhat when hipfiring and moving, but it's by no means impossible, heck I've done it.
Why do you think hipfiring an SVT on the move is realistic, but firing a much heavier MG which fires the same power round should be impossibly hard? If anything it will be much easier.
Best wishes,
Daniel
You should consider how the weapon was meant to be used, how it was normally used, and how it was used in rare or emergency situations.
The whole point/reason I created this topic was to get a more realistic usage out of the weapon, both in HOW it was Normally used, and HOW it behaves in those rare/emergency situations.
With that in mind, I would say what is the best way/methods to encourage the deployed/support role of the LMG while also allowing it to be hipfired in those rare and emergency situation Realistically? (a few pics or youtube videos of someone hipfiring doesn't mean this was normal or an easy thing to pull off)
The whole point/reason I created this topic was to get a more realistic usage out of the weapon, both in HOW it was Normally used, and HOW it behaves in those rare/emergency situations.
With that in mind, I would say what is the best way/methods to encourage the deployed/support role of the LMG while also allowing it to be hipfired in those rare and emergency situation Realistically? (a few pics or youtube videos of someone hipfiring doesn't mean this was normal or an easy thing to pull off)