StG44 in 1942?

[Mormegil]

Another possible reason they can't show the photos is because they don't own copyright on them. There might be restrictions on posting them on the interwebz by the copyright owner. Someone may claim fair use, but that could piss of a resource they want to keep on friendly terms with.

 

[Ermac]

Okay, some of you seem to think that Ramm is lieing to you about the MKB42 for no good reason. Think what ever you like. For the amount made and time period they exsisted, it is accurate to have them in the game. I think as long as not everybody has them, then it isn't a problem.

 

[LemoN]

For the amount made and time period they exsisted, it is accurate to have them in the game.

This is exactly what is being discussed here.

I'm fine with having the Mkb.42 in the game (the more weapons the better) but I still doubt that it was used in Stalingrad, especially if you consider the production numbers by dates.

 

[Das Bose]

This is exactly what is being discussed here.

I'm fine with having the Mkb.42 in the game (the more weapons the better) but I still doubt that it was used in Stalingrad, especially if you consider the production numbers by dates.

So when TWI say they have pictures proving the gun was used in Stalingrad, you think they are telling lies?

 

[LemoN]

So when TWI say they have pictures proving the gun was used in Stalingrad, you think they are telling lies?

No.

First of all you can't even imagine how many pictures get labelled wrong. You sometimes can't even trust people that actually have been there at that time, as they often confuse dates, places and weapons (which is entirely understandable, after all it's almost 70 years ago now).

As I have stated NUMEROUS times already I'm fine with the weapon and I simply would like to have some sources and/or pictures out of simple interest for this topic, not because I think that TWI are "lying".

116 Mkb.42's have been produced in 1942 afaik, out of those 116, 50 were sent to various places out of which 35 ended up with the Heer for trials (which would have taken place inside Germany). The other 66 probably ended up in various places and other trials. The first combat trials took place in April 1943 and the first larger scale use took place in October 1943 with the 93th ID.

 

[Xendance]

Lemon, why on earth do you care so much?
It's like someone took the trolling austrian out of lemon's body and replaced it with some gun nut history buff.

 

[Ermac]

116 Mkb.42's have been produced in 1942 afaik, out of those 116, 50 were sent to various places out of which 35 ended up with the Heer for trials (which would have taken place inside Germany). The other 66 probably ended up in various places and other trials. The first combat trials took place in April 1943 and the first larger scale use took place in October 1943 with the 93th ID.

"A production run of these modified versions was sent to the field in November 1942, and the users appreciated it with a few reservations. Another set of modifications added a hinged cover over the ejection port to keep it clean in combat, and rails to mount a telescopic sight. A run of these modified MKb 42(H)s in late 1942 and early 1943 produced 11,833 guns for field trials." They had to have built more then 116.

 

[Redken]

MKb 42(H) Mass Production(without Prototypes)

October 1942 -- planned "100" -- produced "0"
November 1942 -- planned "500" -- produced "25"
December 1942 -- planned "1000" -- produced "91"

January 1943 -- planned "700" -- produced "500"
February 1943 -- planned "1000" -- produced "1217"
March 1943 -- planned "1500" -- produced "900"
April 1943 -- planned "2500" -- produced "2179"
May 1943 -- planned "5000" -- produced "3044"
June 1943 -- planned "2000" -- produced "1898"
July 1943 -- planned "2000" -- produced "1423" (Start MP43/1 Production)
August 1943 -- planned "2000" -- produced "366"
Septemer 1943 -- planned "2000" -- produced "190"

Source: Dieter Handrich " Sturmgewehr 44 "

 

[Nimsky]

I'm sure that even if they post the pictures, you guys will go 'Oh, those are fake, isn't from Stalingrad', 'I'm an expert on this, they're shopped, I can tell from the pixels,' etc.

 

[LemoN]

I'm sure that even if they post the pictures, you guys will go 'Oh, those are fake, isn't from Stalingrad', 'I'm an expert on this, they're shopped, I can tell from the pixels,' etc.

Definitely not.

It's funny that whenever someone raises questions, voices concerns or criticism, even if they have faith in TWI, it always turns into a black&white situation where one is portrayed as an evil Communist Hippie Nazi who's only intention is to badmouth anything that TWI put's out and tries to diminish any positive things.

 

[Das Bose]

Definitely not.

It's funny that whenever someone raises questions, voices concerns or criticism, even if they have faith in TWI, it always turns into a black&white situation where one is portrayed as an evil Communist Hippie Nazi who's only intention is to badmouth anything that TWI put's out and tries to diminish any positive things.

Not at all!

I can't speak for everyone but I'm simply tired of people complaining that things may not be 100% historically accurate. I would say 80% of the playerbase won't even notice and out of the 20% that do, at least half will be too busy playing and having fun to give a damn

 

[The Masta]

Geee guys, it's a game.

 

[Das Bose]

Geee guys, it's a game.

Precisely :IS2:

 

[Ender]

Dammed if you dammed if you don't. I was worried at first when I heard they where first going to add the G41. I didn't really care to much about how rare it was but more how it would affect game play. Now afterwords I am happy it was added, it didn't affect game play, I learned about a gun and it became something interesting.

 

[doomis]

Im 99% sure that its exactly what Mormegil said, you can't really go out and show off pictures of this kind, cause then they will definitely say where they were taken from to prove they are not fake, and everyone knows what happens next if the author finds out. And most authors/collectors of this kind are very strict about their copyrights (and so they should imo).

 

[CCCP]

When I play with my friends and i got the sniper position, I always drop them to my friends then suicide and get more so we end up with 4-5 snipers on the team. I wonder if I will be able to do the same so half of the team will have MKB-42

 

[SheepDip]

I imagine "suiciding" will be one of the negative factors when it comes to your rank/status, like tk'ing.

 

[Das Bose]

I imagine "suiciding" will be one of the negative factors when it comes to your rank/status, like tk'ing.

I hope so because the number of times I've suicided to change weapon, only to find I was too slow, is rapidly approaching infinity.

Getting punished for it would cure me I'm sure

 

[Russ Schulke]

No MKb 42 Assault Rifles at the Stalingrad battle!

No MKb 42 Assault Rifles at the Stalingrad battle!

Please! (Sarcasm) There is only one ex-German soldier claiming the MKb 42 Assault Rifle was at the Stalingrad Battle and if Tripwire (Sorry to be rude) would just do a little research they would find out his story and photo fall apart under its own weight.

The copyrighted photo in question is label “Stalingrad 4.X.1942” (October 4, 1942) and it is actually a still from some period camera footage. The photo displayed here is same still from my own personal collection but mine is not labeled.

Here is parts of 1 hour interview I had with Prince Alfred von Habsberg zu Hohenhausen at the Weekend of Heroes gathering in 2004.

I asked many questions of the Prince about the Stalingrad battle. The last questions I asked him about the famous photo of him and some his squad/assaults team at the Stalingrad battle. I showed him the photo and he said”…he remember it well.” Then he told a little story about the photo, after he was done with his story I said I have some questions related to the photo. He said “go ahead.”

1.) I asked him if he was required to use a helmet during combat, He said “Yes!” Then I asked if he was in combat during this photo “Why is he not wearing his helmet?” He said “I am not sure?”

2.) I stated that “the M-43 field cap he had on in the picture was introduced in June of 1943, 7-8 months later than the photo was label, he said to me "the photo must have been label wrong."

3.) I asked “If it was normal (in 1942) for infantry officers to be wearing gaiters in the field? He said to me "He said it was not normal ... and the photo must have been label wrong."

4.) I stated that “the MKb 42 Assault Rifle was not produced & distributed until November 1942 but his photo is labeled and the battle for the Tractor factory was during mid October. He did not answer me.

5.) I asked what was the main SMG weapon he and his men used during the Stalingrad battle, he said "MP-40's (40 & 41).”

6.) I asked if any of his men were issued the MKb 42 Assault Rifles during the battle of Stalingrad, he said “… the photo and time period must be wrong!”
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Side note: I have spoken with the weapons/amour restorer at the Volgograd State panoramic museum "Stalingrad Battle" and they have no captured MKb 42 (or 43 version) Assault Rifles on display or in their collection.

Russ

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[SheepDip]

I think this thread needs to die now.

Given the concentration of troops, and the level of outright destruction and loss of life proof of it being there is not going to be easy to come by, if possible. Just like proof it wasn't there. Regardless of which is more likely.

It's in the game, TWI are happy it's in the game, I'm happy its in the game as are many others (as a hero weapon like the AVT40 which is also questionable in the same way). We can't really say more.