Stamina?

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Sgt.NightFire

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Something that annoyed me allot in Ostfront is that your stamina would run out faster than a fat man running towards a jar of cookies on the other side of his house, these are trained soldiers with very good stamina, they should have at least have the double amount of stamina the original RO has at the moment to run across a football sized field!

Especially when you are under fire with adrenaline running through your system...
 

LogisticEarth

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Well trained soldiers or starving conscripts?

Also, it's already possible to sprint at least a hundred meters or more in the game if you've got a fresh stamina meter. And remember that the "normal" movement speed is still a steady jog, not walking. Your stamina just prevents you from sprinting. If you think the average WWII solider could sprint 200 meters regularly while carrying 20-30lbs of gear, your overestimating the fitness level of these guys.
 

skittlesareyum47

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I sort of agree that stamina ran out too quickly in Ost, but at the same time, this is now Stalingrad, where men where starving and tired, etc.
 

jalex3

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well i guess things will be different seen as stamina will be linked to to weight of your gear, anyway its not perfect for release im sure it will be an easy fix later :)
 

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I think your stamina level should also be affected by your morale; for example a soldier in good spirits will be able to push himself harder than a demoralised soldier.
 

OnbekendeSoldaat

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yeah those soldiers should really could have run faster then 10-20 seconds, even with such gear. I can sprint maybe a footballfield twice with my schoolsatchel of 10 kg? the soldier his equipments extra weight is spread throughout the body and its not that confortable ro run with a schoolsatchel and i'm 15 y.o with not that good stamina, but those soldiers are beasts, but tired and hungry.

sorry for bad english
 

Sgt.NightFire

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It also depends on what month the battle takes in place in the game, in the beginning of the Stalingrad battle, the Russian where not that well armed, when it was a full on winter they had winter clothing while the Germans where still mainly wearing their long coats with improvised winter clothing.
 

Sgt.NightFire

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Here is a picture of a German soldier in battle in Stalingrad:
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Here is another picture of a German soldier in Stalingrad:

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As you can see, that is not allot of gear, and they could have easily crossed two football fields while adrenaline was rushing through their veins before they where out of breath...
 

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So you say. A lot of things are easier said than done.
Take into account the fact that nutrition was far less than optimal, especially after the Germans were cut off and supplies were getting lower and lower.
Not only that, but when you are in the thick of it they might lack sleep, too. They might have gone a few days with very little of sleep.
All of this will affect a soldier's stamina, and then there is the equipment they had to carry.
People keep bringing up adrenaline, but adrenaline is exhausting too after a while. Stalingrad would be the place where you are continually under the influence of some kind of adrenaline, which would wear you down on the long run. How about fear? Or muscle fatigue?

And next to all these things that matter in real-life but not necessarily ingame, there is a thing called game balance.
Some maps will be large, some maps will be small and in Heroes' case, they will scale along with the player count.
That means pretty small maps in some occasions. Giving the ingame soldiers more stamina would mean they could run across these maps without any drawback.
In Ostfront, you always have to consider running into an enemy and having shaking ironsights, or not being able to sprint away from a grenade. It is up to the player to conserve his stamina the best he can so he is ready for these situations.

Therefor, i have to say that the amount of stamina as it currently is in Ostfront is perfectly fine. Not too long, not too short. It works, and it also helps set the pace of the game to that of a more thoughtful shooter instead of an arcade run a long shoot 'em up.
 

LogisticEarth

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As you can see, that is not allot of gear, and they could have easily crossed two football fields while adrenaline was rushing through their veins before they where out of breath...

That "not a lot of gear" is heavier than you think. A k98 or PPSh both weigh nearly 4 kg empty. Then you have ammo, which will be another kg or so, plus the rest of the junk. Easily 10kg, if not more. Again, sprinting, not jogging, across 200 meters with that load will tire out your average person. And your average solider in WWII is your average person, not some super-elite Navy Seal or Spetznatz wunder man.

I can sprint maybe a footballfield twice with my schoolsatchel of 10 kg?

Please take a video of this and post it for us to see what state you are in afterwards. :)
 
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yeah those soldiers should really could have run faster then 10-20 seconds, even with such gear. I can sprint maybe a footballfield twice with my schoolsatchel of 10 kg? the soldier his equipments extra weight is spread throughout the body and its not that confortable ro run with a schoolsatchel and i'm 15 y.o with not that good stamina, but those soldiers are beasts, but tired and hungry.

sorry for bad english
The world record for the 100 meter dash is something like 9.6 seconds.

19.2 seconds for the 200 meter.

Try running for 15 seconds flat out. Just once. See how you feel.
Then lie down and rest for 10 seconds (to get your stamina bar fully charged again), then run another 15 seconds flat out. Do that for your typical 10 minute game/map time...;)
(I'm not singling you out OnbekedeSoldaat. Just citing your post as an example)

I think the times were done well in ROOST. Much more "real" than some other fps's, imo.


YouTube - Usain Bolt 19.19 new WORLD RECORD 200M Berlin 2009 [HQ]
 
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Reise

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The only time Ostfront's stamina seemed too short to me was while playing the DH mod, where you spend 99% of your time running anyway.

I think it's mostly accurate.

2 football fields is a pretty hefty distance for sprinting.
 
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Sgt.NightFire

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That "not a lot of gear" is heavier than you think. A k98 or PPSh both weigh nearly 4 kg empty. Then you have ammo, which will be another kg or so, plus the rest of the junk. Easily 10kg, if not more. Again, sprinting, not jogging, across 200 meters with that load will tire out your average person. And your average solider in WWII is your average person, not some super-elite Navy Seal or Spetznatz wunder man.


But i thought the Germans where a Uber master race? :rolleyes:
 

OnbekendeSoldaat

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The world record for the 100 meter dash is something like 9.6 seconds.

19.2 seconds for the 200 meter.

Try running for 15 seconds flat out. Just once. See how you feel.
Then lie down and rest for 10 seconds (to get your stamina bar fully charged again), then run another 15 seconds flat out. Do that for your typical 10 minute game/map time...;)
(I'm not singling you out OnbekedeSoldaat. Just citing your post as an example)

I think the times were done well in ROOST. Much more "real" than some other fps's, imo.


YouTube - Usain Bolt 19.19 new WORLD RECORD 200M Berlin 2009 [HQ]
yeah thats very heavy but not everyone in stalingrad is running and crawling like that: running, prone, running, prone etc... sprinting, crawl sometimes and rest en sprint again is easy, and i'm in a youthclub/scouts and whe have an activity on camp like: walking 3 days from city to city in Wallonie(mountains). We walked from in the moring till evening and we weren't that exhausted. Only painfully feets :p I could play soccer after 1 day cycling 163km at 30
 

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For the most part, I think ROOST has is just about right with Stamina, although if they were to incorporate some temporary adreneline system into sprinting, that would be fine by me if done right.

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As far as an adreneline system: ( I pulled this from a post I made over at the Iron Europe forums from a topic started by OnbekendeSoldaat ^^^ )

I had been thinking of something like this for months but not sure how it would exactly trigger (being overly suppressed while jogging in the open? I don't know..)

But My thought was it would give you an extra boost in the time you could sprint (not unlimited, maybe double?) and if you used it you would suffer an aiming penalty and much longer recovery time... basically it scared the **** out of you enough where you somehow got the extra energy to run to cover faster.

Oh, and this was a thought that could apply to ROHOS in general.
 
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Oldih

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As you can see, that is not allot of gear, and they could have easily crossed two football fields while adrenaline was rushing through their veins before they where out of breath...

Let's see:

-Your uniform total weight (trousers and tunic combined) is around 4-5kg, depending on the material and quality.
-Your weapon is around 4-5kg.
-Depending how much you have eguipment around, your combat gear can vary between 4-20kg of weight. MG ammo carrier might be carrying over 30-50kg of ammunition. Even 150 bullet MG belt weights easily around 2kg.
-Also, depending on your weight and what you are carrying your gear is not exactly balanced. Dragging 5-10kgs of unbalanced weight on your back is more demanding than carrying 15kg of 'balanced' weight (around your body).
-Boots also weights plenty, and they don't exactly have modern super awshum easy-to-run soles. Running with "high heel", leather sole and heel irons and\or hobnails are also very demanding on your knees if you aren't that used to it or don't know how to step.

Now we also run into the physical fact a human cannot sprint extended periods at full pace and anything beyond 10-15 seconds is basically almost anyone's limit, it will exhaust your muscles and [insert tons of biological and chemical relations I am too bored to explain], and it will take to time recover. Now considering on battlefield you can't recover your stamina as well as if you would be doing some typical physical exercise at the gym or so.

If you don't believe me I recommend finding even poor quality reproduction gear and start running as fast as you can and when you're not running as fast as you can, perform low crawling, hitting the deck, getting up and have someone throw tomatoes at you just to add poor man's idea of being shot at, preferably in middle of a forest so the ground is uneven and *****y. Even beter would be to do the same with MG34\42 tripod. Even 10-20kg steel pipe is sufficient if you want to imagine it's a PTRD you're carrying.
 
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Nimsky

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I liked ROOSTs system. Just remember your default speed is jogging.

It's a very slow jog, though. The 'sprinting' in RO is more like a fast run.

I've always thought that the stamina in RO should be a bit higher, but the arguments you guys are giving are good. The main problem I have with the current system is that it doesn't allow the player to run away from danger if he's tired. Even if you're tired you should be able to run away from or dive to cover when a grenade lands near your feet. It's just unrealistic to calmly jog away if that happens. I don't care how tired you are, if a grenade lands near your feet you will probably have at least a little bit of extra energy left to make it to cover. Maybe an 'adrenaline system' could detect a grenade landing within a 5 meter radius, giving the player 5% extra stamina. That might also cut down on the effectiveness of nade spamming a bit.
 
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Mormegil

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I think people just sprint too much. In reality, you wouldn't sprint that much because it isn't pleasant. In the game, we're just impatient and jogging takes too long.


Might be neat if you could have a gradual loss in speed with the jog. So maybe you have a fast jog that very slowly takes away from stamina until you have 1/2 or 2/3 left, then you have a slower jog (like the default). But it never goes below that unless you sprint.