SS and other Nazi names everywhere

[J.Corvus]

By your argument the leader represents the entire country's belief.
I don't even need to use an example to undermine your point, that's how weak it is.

When did I say "entire country"? I absolutely did not.
Obviously not everyone in WW2 Germany supported Nazis. German does not equal nazi any more than russian equals communist.
Yet those who fight for nazis are nazis, and those who fight for communism are commies.

I hope you get the difference.

 

[Zetsumei]

When did I say "entire country"? I absolutely did not.
Obviously not everyone in WW2 Germany supported Nazis. German does not equal nazi any more than russian equals communist.
Yet those who fight for nazis are nazis, and those who fight for communism are commies.

I hope you get the difference.

You forget that signing up to fight was generally not voluntary, and was just something that went together with being of a certain age. Going with the SS was voluntary though.

Pretty much all armies will commit atrocities even to this current day. The difference is where you draw the line. To become a member of the SS you had to be a member of the nazi politcal party. Sure plenty in the regular heer were members of the NSDAP as well but it didn't have it as a requirement. To add on top of that that the SS is a symbol these days of the nazi atrocities, as it was the SS (even though not regular fighting troops) that guarded the death camps, and commited the acts of mass murder.

Wearing an SS tag to me is worse than wearing a white power T-shirt or a klu klux klan pointy cap. You might think its cool, and you might say that you don't believe in the same ideology. But I'll applaud the person that hits you on the face, for ignorant and unrespectful behaviour towards all the people that died.

There are some things you simply shouldn't play around with.

 

[bier]

Adolf "Grand Nazi" Hitler was the supreme commander of Wehrmacht and the only commander that Wehrmacht ever had. Wehrmacht was the war machine that built the Nazi Germany aka Third Reich. These are the facts.

Therefore, I will call Wehrmacht soldiers nazi soldiers, and I will not apologize for doing so.
I see no problem when nazi soldiers have nazi names. It's quite fitting actually.
Same goes for commies.

I really don't understand all the fuss. People are just too emotional when it somes to this subject.
I might a play a commie and shout "Za Stalina!", but I doesn't mean I'm a communist who loves Stalin.
It's just a game, no?

But there never was a country named Nazi Germany. So i don't see a reason to call german soldiers "nazi soldiers".

When did I say "entire country"? I absolutely did not.
Obviously not everyone in WW2 Germany supported Nazis. German does not equal nazi any more than russian equals communist.
Yet those who fight for nazis are nazis, and those who fight for communism are commies.

I hope you get the difference.

The german soldiers fought for Germany and the Russians(plus many other nationalities) fought for their country. You seem to get it wrong at the point if soldiers fight for their country or their country's ideology.

 

[Mormegil]

I also remember joining a server that said "No jews!" in the rules.


oh lawdy lawd... guys, you're playing a ****ing video game. this roleplay fetish some of you may have is fine, but don't take it too far.

Yeah, it was one of the regular servers everyone plays. I think it must have been a (bad) joke - because the rules also said "No French" and no whole lot of other nationalities.

 

[Holy.Death]

I prefer to use specific terms to highlight certain time periods, not to offend people in any way. It is useless to offend, information is more valueable.

Yes, not everyone on the German side was nazi as not everyone under the USSR banner was communist or even native Russian, but we - as a race - simplify/generalize things to make them easier to remember and operate without the need to get into - sometimes - needless details.

Why people play under SS or NKVD tags? Because they want to play as "the evil ones". It's pretty much the same mechanism you can see when people are playing on the Empire's side in Star Wars - it is for fun and the bad guys always look cooler.

A fact I read while researching about concentration camps - commander of was relieved that they've found means to kill people in a less direct manner (cyclone B method), because he wasn't sure if he or his men could stand killing more defenseless people face-to-face.

 

[D3terioNation]

Nothing wrong with referring to Germans in WW2 as Nazis.

Watch anything on History or Military channel and and narrator always calls them Nazis.

It was a party sure. But were there any opposition? No

Well the opposition was us and we did a good job making sure the nazis didnt spread their bile across the entire planet!

 

[bier]

Nothing wrong with referring to Germans in WW2 as Nazis.

Watch anything on History or Military channel and and narrator always calls them Nazis.

It was a party sure. But were there any opposition? No

Well the opposition was us and we did a good job making sure the nazis didnt spread their bile across the entire planet!

3/10 short moment of rage

 

[Viersbovsky]

Nothing wrong with referring to Germans in WW2 as Nazis.

Watch anything on History or Military channel and and narrator always calls them Nazis.

It was a party sure. But were there any opposition? No

Well the opposition was us and we did a good job making sure the nazis didnt spread their bile across the entire planet!

Not sure if trolling but:

Gotta drop the H-bomb on that point: Tell that to my grandfather who was put into a concentration camp for opposing the nazis.

And because everyone does makes it right? Yeah.


Afaik there are some official rules as to what names may be used. I for my part would like to see all such politically sensitive names forbidden for good, but that is because of my hightened sensibilities. You have to accept compromises sometimes. I just stay clear of servers with such names.

 

[Joseph-Porta]

I just wonder why they allways get crazy about german names?
I mean.. ok, Germans where pritty horrible with the holocaust and all that.
But with the war itself.. let me tell you, -all sides- where just as horrible.


From what I understand. The Americans tends to point to the brutal fighting in the Ardennes. But what they fail to understand is that a lot of these troops came from the Eastern front. They just fought as they had learned from and with the russians? And seriously, the western allies where -no- better than the germans. They gunned down prisoners, they killed civilians. They murdered and destroyed just as bad as everyone els. Dont get me started at all the cases..

Understand this, it was a horrible war. No-one was better than anyone els(ok, holocaust topped it off for the germans..).
if we are going to start banning/kicking for haveing german names etc. Toss in all the Pattons, the Eisenhowers, the zukows.. harris.. all those fellows in with them.
but let it be clear Im -not- for useing death squad names, divisions who where known for massacres.. fameous nazis etc etc.
Ok.. I'll stop my rambleing now before it gets more out of control.
The f*ck did I end up here?
BACK TO TOPIC!

But as FP mentions about kids thinking they are funny.. let the admins take care of them, screenshot it, get steam ID and post on their forums.. ban them? The tools are there, use it! Simple as that. Atlest that is what I do on our server

Oh yeh.. PPSH wins <3

By your argument the leader represents the entire country's belief.
I don't even need to use an example to undermine your point, that's how weak it is.

Yeh.. Because everyone in Lybia supported Gadaffi, everyone in North Korea loves Kim.. Right right?

 

[DiedTrying]

i actually think calling the germans nazi's is too kind.

By calling the germans nazis, it puts the blame on the political party.

By calling them germans, it spreads the actions across the entire nation.

Would be like saying "The democrats/republicans started X war", instead of saying "those damned Americans started X war"

It's diffusion of responsibility.

 

[Holy.Death]

Well said, indeed. +1.

 

[Palle]

Seriously i dont get it why people are so offended. If you cant have nazi names, or nazi units then you shouldn't be able to have soviet units either. The Soviets murdered more people than the germans in their gulag camps. Read some history and you will quickly find out that the russians were worse than the germans.

 

[DiedTrying]

The thing is, Stalin didn't exactly discriminate in his killings.

Remember kids, discrimination is bad!

 

[Palle]

The thing is, Stalin didn't exactly discriminate in his killings.

Remember kids, discrimination is bad!

He did. Jews were just as percecuted in Russia as they were in Germany.

 

[Andrew Blake]

The thing is, Stalin didn't exactly discriminate in his killings.

Remember kids, discrimination is bad!

Not sure if you are trolling... or just..

 

[Holy.Death]

Seriously i dont get it why people are so offended. If you cant have nazi names, or nazi units then you shouldn't be able to have soviet units either.

Knowledge about crimes committed by the USSR is less transparent than that of the Third Reich. Soviets didn't start the World War II and they fought alongside the Allies in order to defeat the Axis. Proximity to the USSR is another reason why Soviet's (war) crimes are more known in Eastern Europe than in other regions of the world. I suspect that many people living in Europe have limited knowledge about the Japanese war crimes, to give an example. It is nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[DiedTrying]

He did. Jews were just as percecuted in Russia as they were in Germany.

I think if you look at the percentages, it would be much more spread out than in Germany.

But no doubt Jews would be a high percentage.

Not sure if you are trolling... or just..

trolling (thought the wink gave it away)

 

[Andrew Blake]

I think if you look at the percentages, it would be much more spread out than in Germany.

But no doubt Jews would be a high percentage.



trolling (thought the wink gave it away)

lol wink didin't load.

 

[Baum]

You forget that signing up to fight was generally not voluntary, and was just something that went together with being of a certain age. Going with the SS was voluntary though.

Pretty much all armies will commit atrocities even to this current day. The difference is where you draw the line. To become a member of the SS you had to be a member of the nazi politcal party. Sure plenty in the regular heer were members of the NSDAP as well but it didn't have it as a requirement. To add on top of that that the SS is a symbol these days of the nazi atrocities, as it was the SS (even though not regular fighting troops) that guarded the death camps, and commited the acts of mass murder.

Wrong - at least partially. As casualties mounted, the Waffen SS also drafted members in order to bring their units back to combat strength - and they needed lots of replacements. You can't have a few hundred thousand men under arms, and all of them hand-selected and thoroughly background-checked at the same time. At least not under those circumstances. You just have to take a look at the divisions with higher numbers to see that they weren't really that "aryan" any more after 1942/1943 (take a look at RONA or Handschar, to take 2 of the most disgusting examples).
My uncle is MIA somewhere on the Eastern Front, drafted mid-44, gone sometime early 1945. I know for a fact that he was neither there voluntarily, nor was he a party member with barely 17 years of age. One of his friends was hung for trying to dodge the draft. Your argument holds true for the WSS in the years up until 1941, but not after that.

 

[Unterscharfuhrer]

I think its not so serious, I mean Im not a nazi or a bad person I just had this nick because meh I dont know...
If someone would care about I would change it!
But I mean one of my grandfathers was shot by a partisan I dont have a problem with the someone with this nick!



But I should change it, you