Spartanovka - how to win as USSR/bugged?

[Goten]

Theoretically, russians win by holding one or more objectives (so if russians hold E they win) or by depleting enemies reinforcements. Axis win by taking ALL objectives or by depleting the russians.

If, as a russian, you lost while holding an objective either all your team was dead or it was a bug. I never had this kind of bug on this map ... to win (I usually play Axis) while russians hold one or more objectives. I had a similar bug in Firefight (germans scored 57, russians 56 - russian won the round), but again .. no kind of problems like that in this map or any other territory games if I recall.

Now, about the balancing part - I think it's pretty balanced. Although I usually play axis, I played a few times as russian and I saw nothing too big to say it's unbalanced. Yes, as a russian you spawn furter than axis, it's normal - if you think you spawn too far you should see the german spawns on Red October ...
Usually the map is lost or won at the last objective and usually depends on the german team - takes some coordonation to assault togheter, and trust me, you need way more people than taking B for example. Also, the german spawns are quite far when they reach E. But again, I don't think it's unbalanced, maybe a few minor tweaks will improve it.

To the OP who said: "Many times now the Germans have ran out of reinforcements first - almost capturing the last point. USSR can push back and capture one building zone (+town hall). The 2nd zone is locked.
So: the Germans are out of troops (maybe some alive), they could not capture all the points, the USSR push the Germans as far back as possible (town hall + one building block) - still the Germans win?! Why?"
TWI decision, so that some zones remained locked - I think it helps the game actually. Happens on all maps: I can't take A and B from russians in Apartments, can't retake A, B or D on Commisarrs ... etc ...

EDIT:
There could be a situation that made you lose the match (not the round). So here it is: you won the 2nd round (2 rounds per game) and if the germans won first round and they had bigger team scores (usually attacking teams have bigger scores) they won the match. So you could mistake winning the round with winning the game.

 

[Derpus]

Wait, are you talking about Spartanovka on multiplayer? I pretty much only play as Russian and I almost never lose as them on that map.

 

[fiftyone]

Won two rounds last night as Russian = /Match.
I don't believe it's teh first time...

Am I missing something ?

 

[grothesj2]

I have won a pile of times as the Russians on this map. Not sure what the problem is.

 

[Sensemann]

Wow, more and more do I get the impression that I am playing another game than some other members of the forums here.

Since release, the only Axis wins on Spartanovka I have seen were in the first week after release and twice (!) afterwards, when there was a totally uncapable Russian team. Almost always are the Germans running out of reinfs and the Russian team has between 10-25 reinfs left.

 

[Eisprinzessin]

I think 6 mins of waiting as russ, because the laswt fritz is sitting in the church, praying is senseless...

 

[grothesj2]

I think 6 mins of waiting as russ, because the laswt fritz is sitting in the church, praying is senseless...

So, go kill the last fritz. Problem solved.

 

[Eisprinzessin]

You know the meaning of the words "protected area" ?

 

[M_B2]

You can't because of the dreaded protected area.

I've had mixed experiences as the Russians - some you win some you lose. However yes I have noticed that if the russians hold the last cap they can still lose so I assume its due to having no reinforcements despite the germans being in the same boat.

 

[Anunzi]

I’ve seen this before many times. I only ever play as Russian, so I cant speak for the German perspective. However, I’ve seen rounds (no not matches) where Jerry runs out of reinforcements and has 1-2 people left. We push up and retake block 2. The Germans then hide behind church and wait for the timer. Beacuse of my old nemisis Mr. Protected Area, we cant get in and kill them and because they have higher team points than us they win the round.

I know someone above said that as long as the Soviets hold at least one point they win, I guess this is a bug as my experience says otherwise.

This does not happen every game, seems to be now and then.

 

[grothesj2]

You know the meaning of the words "protected area" ?

Ah yeah, there is that little detail.

 

[vbloke]

yeah its annoying as allies when there are 3 mins left on the clock but you cant get near the axis as they hiding in protected area...
cmon out and fight dam you !!!!

 

[Fornax]

Icey_Pain is mostly right. The points help dictate the winning team in all other game modes except Territory. In Territory the only ways the Attackers win are by running the defenders out of reinforcements and living team members, or by capturing all objectives.

We could not reproduce the attackers winning in any other condition here in the studio, like in that case described where the axis were winning with more points but without taking all the objectives. But if this does happen again to anyone in game, screenshots of the score board and win/lose screen could help us figure out what went wrong, they would be greatly appreciated

Will try to do that.
Happened to me maybe 3-4 times now.
Germans run out of reinforcements, they are unable to take the town-hall, USSR push back into the first housing block...but as the USSR cannot push further back they cannot get any more points either--->German win.
I know for sure one time Germans still had troops alive as they had an AFK player far out of reach for the USSR.

 

[Gudenrath]

Wait, are you talking about Spartanovka on multiplayer? I pretty much only play as Russian and I almost never lose as them on that map.

I find the victory rate between axis and allied on that map to be around 50/50, so yeah, nothing unbalanced about it.

 

[LOOY]

I think a lot of the confusion about victory comes from when you win the last round, but lose the map overall. It then adds the +1 score to the team, but still says "we lost, iz sad day".