some sidearms(handguns) i hope to see in heroes of stanlingrad

[MD.GHOST]

for germany :
Mauser C-96 (Germany)
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg90-e.htm maybe Mauser C-96 model 712 for ss
FN Browning HP
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg17-e.htm
CZ 27 / P.27(t) pistol (Czhechoslovakia)
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg232-e.htm
FEMARU Model 1937 37M P37 P37(u) pistol (Hungary)
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg239-e.htm

for russia:
Nagant model of 1895 (Belgium - Russia)
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg102-e.htm

 

[Nezzer]

I hope pistols have more power in HoS. They are too weak in RO, you can actually survive three shots in the chest. I think every single firearm should kill someone in the chest or in the stomach in HoS with a single shot. The only parts of the body you should be able to survive a shot are the arms and legs(and maybe the ***)

I hate when I face an enemy when I'm carrying a SMG and I empty a magazine at him and he still survives. Who the hell is able to survive a 9mm shot in the chest and keep fightling like nothing happened?

I support deadly and powerful pistols in HoS!

 

[Bobdog]

Pistols aren't really that powerful; the bullets they fire are comparatively small and slow moving; they poke small holes in their target. A single pistol round isn't going to instantly drop someone unless it hits them in a vital area (heart, brain, spinal cord). Yes, it will do serious damage, and yes, they could eventually die from their injuries, but shot(s) to the non-critical organs (lungs, digestive system, etc) won't stop someone from fighting for a little while longer. They aren't going to be combat-ineffective until they lose enough blood.

Rifles on the other hand fire large bullets going very fast; they can tear very large holes in their targets and cause rapid substantial blood loss. Again, this doesn't necessarily mean the target will instantly die, but the shock to the system is going to be much larger.

 

[Nezzer]

But even if someone is hit in a non-vital part of the torso, they'd be disabled for battle, in RO that means dying. Of course you are able to survive a 9mm shot in the chest, look at those damn rappers that survived more than nine shots, but if you are hit you can't just get up and fight normally again.

 

[Ermac]

But even if someone is hit in a non-vital part of the torso, they'd be disabled for battle, in RO that means dying. Of course you are able to survive a 9mm shot in the chest, look at those damn rappers that survived more than nine shots, but if you are hit you can't just get up and fight normally again.

That's not necisarily true. There are many accounts of people taking bullets in the chest and still fighting. In this one vid, a cop got in a fight with a boxer and shot the boxer in the abdomen, but the boxer continued fighting.

 

[MEGADETHTHRETH]

Good suggestion, I hope the pistols are included, they look cool, It would be nice to have a bit of variety alright.

 

[Extension7]

Pistols aren't really that powerful; the bullets they fire are comparatively small and slow moving; they poke small holes in their target. A single pistol round isn't going to instantly drop someone unless it hits them in a vital area (heart, brain, spinal cord). Yes, it will do serious damage, and yes, they could eventually die from their injuries, but shot(s) to the non-critical organs (lungs, digestive system, etc) won't stop someone from fighting for a little while longer. They aren't going to be combat-ineffective until they lose enough blood.

Rifles on the other hand fire large bullets going very fast; they can tear very large holes in their targets and cause rapid substantial blood loss. Again, this doesn't necessarily mean the target will instantly die, but the shock to the system is going to be much larger.

I see your point, but this is a game! We don't have time to suffer and bleed out most of us just want to die and get it over with. The whole thing they have in RO: Ost now is kinda ok but bleh, It'd be nice to have a TRUSTY secondary weapon you can whip out real fast so you don't have to reload.

 

[Nezzer]

I see your point, but this is a game! We don't have time to suffer and bleed out most of us just want to die and get it over with. The whole thing they have in RO: Ost now is kinda ok but bleh, It'd be nice to have a TRUSTY secondary weapon you can whip out real fast so you don't have to reload.

Exactly. Using pistols in ROOST is like throwing rocks to kill the enemy.

 

[Bobdog]

Well I'm not against them being a bit more powerful than they are in RO (7-10 chest shots to kill?), but asking for a 1-hit kill most of the time is a bit excessive.

 

[Floyd]

No point in trying to persuade those that have seen videos (and have slept at Holiday Inn Express) otherwise as they "know".....

But just some friendly FYI.....9mm and .38's don't have a whole hell of a lot of "stopping" power. .45cal's, .357's etc....different story....

What TWI (and all games) need to do (imo) is make the weapons swap time realistic. AFAIK, the holsters used in battle weren't of the "quick draw" variety. Buttons or snaps had to be undone before the weapon was drawn. It wouldn't be very prudent having those things fall out on the ground.

 

[PETERPANs]

Lol vote for High power.

Nagant looks cool too (7 rounds ).

 

[Sanders]

To all you asking for more pistol power I have to ask, really? In RL a pistol usually takes 2-3 shots to actually drop someone, 1 shot with a small caliber weapon isn't going to do a whole hell of alot unless its a vital spot. I thought people wanted this game to be realistic. :/

 

[Zetsumei]

I see your point, but this is a game! We don't have time to suffer and bleed out most of us just want to die and get it over with. The whole thing they have in RO: Ost now is kinda ok but bleh, It'd be nice to have a TRUSTY secondary weapon you can whip out real fast so you don't have to reload.

You forget about one realistic aspect that can be modelled now and that couldn't be before. And that is stopping power of a gun. It takes a little while (probably less than a second) to realize you are really hit.

 

[slavek]

RO2 will be using a much more refined damage/injury system that accounts for vital organs and so on. Maybe this system might make sidearms more effective.

 

[Flogger23m]

I hope pistols have more power in HoS. They are too weak in RO, you can actually survive three shots in the chest. I think every single firearm should kill someone in the chest or in the stomach in HoS with a single shot. The only parts of the body you should be able to survive a shot are the arms and legs(and maybe the ***)

People have been hit with 9mm multiple times in the chest, and have not died instantly.

I hate when I face an enemy when I'm carrying a SMG and I empty a magazine at him and he still survives.

Then you're missing, 5 or so shots pretty much always kills someone. I've killed people with 2 shots with the MP40 as well.

 

[Nezzer]

People have been hit with 9mm multiple times in the chest, and have not died instantly.

And how many of those people got up again ready for the battle like nothing'd happened? People may survive a single shot in the chest, but even Bolo Yeung would be temporarly disabled and fall. 90% of the pistols in games look like toyguns.

 

[Zetsumei]

And how many of those people got up again ready for the battle like nothing'd happened? People may survive a single shot in the chest, but even Bolo Yeung would be temporarly disabled and fall. 90% of the pistols in games look like toyguns.

The key is you do not necessarily drop down in the first place. You can perhaps fight on for a little while before you drop down because your body is ruined. Once a person is on the ground due to a shot its unlikely he'll get up again to continue fighting.

let me quote wikipedia:

Stopping power is a colloquial term used to describe the ability of a firearm or other weapon to cause a penetrating ballistic injury to a target, human or animal, sufficient to incapacitate the target where it stands.

The term is not a euphemism for lethality. It refers only to a weapon's ability to incapacitate quickly, regardless of whether death ultimately ensues. Some theories of stopping power involve concepts such as "energy transfer" and "hydrostatic shock," although there is disagreement regarding the importance of these effects.

For instance a baseball bat is unlikely to kill someone easily, however a baseball bat got great stopping power.

A small calibre round that doesn't tumble in the body, can easily kill someone by ripping down some arteries etc, however it doesn't have a lot of stopping power.

With a bleeding system, pistol/smg rounds could be made to be able to kill someone on first shot however, his death and fighting ability depending on location of impact, won't be gone till a little while after the impact. Where as a bigger calibre round like a rifle even if a wound is not fatal, can create a big shock causing someone to fall down and be rendered useless.

Ro won't have you laying on the floor being crippled so at that moment you're counted as dead, however even if you're going to die as long as you can still fight for a little while even for less than a second, then you dont immediately need to be considered dead. The degradation of a fatal wound to your body often still takes some time before you really start to feel the effects.

 

[Xendance]

Pistols aren't really that powerful; the bullets they fire are comparatively small and slow moving; they poke small holes in their target. A single pistol round isn't going to instantly drop someone unless it hits them in a vital area (heart, brain, spinal cord). Yes, it will do serious damage, and yes, they could eventually die from their injuries, but shot(s) to the non-critical organs (lungs, digestive system, etc) won't stop someone from fighting for a little while longer. They aren't going to be combat-ineffective until they lose enough blood.

Rifles on the other hand fire large bullets going very fast; they can tear very large holes in their targets and cause rapid substantial blood loss. Again, this doesn't necessarily mean the target will instantly die, but the shock to the system is going to be much larger.

I think the problem is that there is hardly any visual feedback that you hit a guy, other than the puff of blood. I mean, in real life you wouldn't be able to just stand without at least flinching when your gut is hit by a bullet.

 

[echonian]

Well, all we can really ask for is an approximation of realism. We are limited by the mouse and keyboard, after all, in addition to being limited in realism by gameplay (at least to some extent).

 

[VariousNames]

Pistols aren't really that powerful; the bullets they fire are comparatively small and slow moving; they poke small holes in their target. A single pistol round isn't going to instantly drop someone unless it hits them in a vital area (heart, brain, spinal cord). Yes, it will do serious damage, and yes, they could eventually die from their injuries, but shot(s) to the non-critical organs (lungs, digestive system, etc) won't stop someone from fighting for a little while longer. They aren't going to be combat-ineffective until they lose enough blood.

Rifles on the other hand fire large bullets going very fast; they can tear very large holes in their targets and cause rapid substantial blood loss. Again, this doesn't necessarily mean the target will instantly die, but the shock to the system is going to be much larger.

Beautiful post.