Some New Weapon Ideas...

[HellsJanitor]

Here's a few ideas for weapons that could be implemented fairly without disrupting balance. They are more novelty ideas I guess you could say.

PPD-40 - Obviously stats would be similar to the PPSH, I think the original RO players would like this one too.

Browning Hi Power - Germans captured and produced these when they took Belgium. Perhaps it would make a nice match for the TT-33 for those who aren't too fond of the C96.

MG42 - I wonder how I forgot this one. The obvious successor to the MG34 made with more stamped parts and an easier barrel change system that didn't alter headspace. In reality, there were probably more of these than MG34s in Stalingrad.

Beretta Model 38 - Italian submachine gun much like the MP40 except with a wood stock and dual triggers for Semi and Full auto. Germans ended up using a lot of these as well through their Italian allies. The single shot capability is probably where the value in this one lies.

Luger PO8 - Everyone knows this one! I'm surprised it wasn't implemented instead of the C96. A pain to use, but good for those who like the classic German load-out. Should be restricted to officers only who had the majority of them.

Walther PP or PPK - Again, another officer's pistol and a rarity, but still a WW2 participant. Heck, even Hitler had one! (Though he only used it on himself...)

PPS-43 - Another one from RO1. Again, basically another PPSH with a folding stock only magazine capable. Sights were slightly different, but not necessarily better.

 

[Andrew Blake]

I am totally for the Browning Hi Power pistol, would be really cool if they added that. Pistole 640(b) IIRC, 13 round mag 9mm, up to 500m sights. Cool, yeaaah....

 

[Mr. Brewski]

A little more variety couldn't hurt I suppose. Are those weapons known to have been used at Stalingrad?

 

[HellsJanitor]

A little more variety couldn't hurt I suppose. Are those weapons known to have been used at Stalingrad?

Most of them.
The only one somewhat unlikely of being here is probably the Beretta Model 38 which saw more use in central Europe instead of the eastern front. However, Operation Barbarossa was comprised of not only German divisions, but some Romanian, Slovakian, Finnish, Hungarian, and even a few Spanish divisions. So it is not impossible to have seen some mixed in with the rest of the small arms sent to the Eastern front.

 

[Bashenka]

I kind of want to see the M-38 again as one of the first new Russian guns to make it back in.


Also the PPS-43 was produced in Leningrad during the siege, so chances are next to 0 that any made it out of the blockade and all the way down to Stalingrad (I would assume).

 

[Extension7]

You forgot to mention the MG42 ^_^

 

[Vyllis]

Also the PPS-43 was produced in Stalingrad during the siege

Pschht. You mistaken with Leningrad.

 

[HellsJanitor]

You forgot to mention the MG42 ^_^

You got me. Added

 

[triple25mm]

Has anybody seen a photo of an MG42 in Stalingrad?

 

[Wookie87]

Has anybody seen a photo of an MG42 in Stalingrad?

I recall seeing a picture somewhere on these forums of some prototypes, and there are manifests showing prototype MG34/41 (or was it MG 39/41?) which are effectively MG42's. Not in any real volume, though certainly more abundant than certain weapons *ahem*.

 

[DAT]

As the game matures and progresses with different mods I am sure we will see more of these weapons.

 

[Nikita]

I recall seeing a picture somewhere on these forums of some prototypes, and there are manifests showing prototype MG34/41 (or was it MG 39/41?) which are effectively MG42's. Not in any real volume, though certainly more abundant than certain weapons *ahem*.

Here is photographic evidence. The manifest can be found in almost every thread discussing the MG42:

Sorry to necro this thread, but while reading Adalbert Holl's (7./II./276. Rgt. 94. Inf. Div. ) memoirs " An Infantryman in Stalingrad", I saw a picture and made a remarkable discovery.


This picture is taken at a park, about 550 meters southeast of Fallen Heroes square and 150 meters from the shores of the Volga.

I am 99% sure this is an MG42 in the pic.

I tried to identify the gun and four major points make it almost certain to be an MG 42.

1. The gun's distinctive charging handle
2. The narrow right side ejection port, which ejects the empty metal belt tabs, the shells actually eject on the bottom of the receiver
3. Very sure thats a barrel release tab
4. I can make out distinct, sliding tangent rear sight

 

[Nezzer]

The Germans should get the MG-42 as a hero only weapon, just like the Russians should get the DT-27 as a hero weapon.

 

[Tuco22]

M44/M38... give me back mah carbines!

 

[Extension7]

I hate the idea of "hero" weapons.

Let them all be available to everyone please.

 

[Nezzer]

I hate the idea of "hero" weapons.

Let them all be available to everyone please.

MG-42s and DT-27s were rare in 1942, so I don't think they should be as common as the MG-34 and the DP-28 in the game. I'd rather have a new class for them though.

 

[Colt .45 killer]

either only one Mg user can pick the mg42, or there is an 'elite mg' role that gets to use the mg42.

 

[[Mad_Murdock]]

I hate the idea of "hero" weapons.

Let them all be available to everyone please.

Isnt this what happened to our good friends MKb and AVT?

 

[luciferintears]

How about we decrease the amount of weapons to those that were actually used in stalingrad?

 

[HellsJanitor]

How about we decrease the amount of weapons to those that were actually used in stalingrad?

Do you have a personal list of weapons used in Stalingrad?

These COULD have been used in Stalingrad. Like I said, it wasn't only Germans Vs. Russians, but Axis Vs. Allies. These are IDEAS that could add some more variety and not destroy realism. Neither used only K98s and Mp40s and PPSH's. Hell, the Russians got a lot of armaments through the lend-lease. There could have been American Thompsons there for all we know, since the Soviets received many of those as well.

Don't assume your stereotypical outlook of stalingrad is actual fact.