Some New Weapon Ideas...

[Zeptorem]

My understanding:

A magazine is
the box
that holds the rounds in the gun
which could be detached or not and
is always in while you shoot.

A clip is
the clip
that holds the rounds in the gun
which is always detached but
is always in while you shoot.

Nope.

Some clips stay in the gun (en-bloc clips, moon clips), most do not (stripper clips). The difference between a clip and a magazine is that a magazine has some mechanism to feed the ammunition to the firearm; a clip merely holds ammunition while:

A) In a cylinder (moon clips)
B) In an internal magazine (en-bloc clips) or
C) Loading a magazine (stripper clips)

If you can't understand the difference there really isn't any hope for you.

...so the name for
a distinct container of ammunition, where you don't give a damn whether it's a box or not because it has no bearing on the logistical matters you are actually concerned with
that holds the rounds in the gun
which is always detached but
is always in while you shoot

...is...?

Could be either a clip or a mag, but importantly it's distinctly one or the other. The terms aren't interchangeable.

Or you could be loading individual rounds/shells into the gun, like with the lever action rifle or the pump shotgun.

 

[Compass]

M95(or L96, or Tac-90, or Dragonuv, or so on)
Capacity: 10 mag/90 full
Cost: $4000 ($1200 fully discounted)
Rate of Fire - 25% longer than LAR action
Damage - Twice as much as M14 per shot
Reload - 30% longer than M14
No Penetration (dedicated anti-special)
Has Scope
Slow Run Speed

That would be far more Sharpshooter-like than an M14 blazing away with Semi.

Attempting to use 1st Law of KF Discussion to bring us back on topic.

 

[CandleJack]

While we're on the subject of high-powered rifles, i suggest again the AS50.

Made in Britain (nudge, nudge) by Accuracy International.
It fires 12.7 x 99m NATO rounds, in other words .50 BMG.

It's semi-auto fed from a 5 round mag, but the recoil of the 12.7mm round means that spamming is not only a waste of ammo but a quick way to end up pointing at the sky.

5 magazines in total, weighing 14 blocks/kilos overall.
This may not let you carry a backup, but this is a co-op game. you shouldn't need to.

This goes the opposite way to the Commando's global wield/unwield bonus, and decreases wielding speed and walking speed. This makes sharpshooter reliant on teammates to protect him, but his powerful gun justifies this.

My intention with suggesting this is an alternate weapon for Tier 3, even a replacement for the M14.

With a total of 5/25 (can be adjusted) rounds, weighing 14 blocks and having high recoil even when L6 Sharpshooter; with slower walk speed and wielding speed. The cost would be the standard

 

[Compass]

That would be less popular than the LAW given its high weight, cost, and low ammo capacity. I think looking for an M14 replacement with a moderate (100) ammo count but slower rate of fire and crowd control power would be what we're looking for.

 

[Sammers]

When people say clip, you know they are talking about a magazine, so there isn't any real problem caused, you just like to complain about things. Because of this, I will always call them clips.

 

[CandleJack]

That would be less popular than the LAW given its high weight, cost, and low ammo capacity. I think looking for an M14 replacement with a moderate (100) ammo count but slower rate of fire and crowd control power would be what we're looking for.

I also said that the ammo amount could be changed, did i not?

But if that's what you're looking for then maybe the L96 would be a nice gun for that role.

It's made in Britain, so therefore automatically a logical choice.

It's chambered in .338 Lapua Magnum (8.6x70mm) which is quite a big bullet.

Maybe this is more like what you're looking for then?

 

[YoYoBatty]

I would love to see a G36K

 

[CandleJack]

I would love to see a G36K

Yeah, SG:U ftw

It would have to have a different reload animation, and whether or not it was unfolded or folded stock. Barrel length comes into play, i had to look around a bit for a G36K length barrel, the others had a G36C length barrel.

EDIT: a bit of important info i found on world.guns.ru:

The G36 also found its way into the hands of various law enforcement agencies worldwide, including British police

 

[Sammers]

To be honest, the G36 and R700 are not popular guns. And the super shorty is not too popular either as none of them have been featured in console games.

But they have in PC games and this too, is a PC game.

The G36 also found its way into the hands of various law enforcement agencies worldwide, including British police

The point is though, it fills no gaps in the game and isn't really needed. Much like the other suggestions.

 

[comaryu]

i support the idea of new weapons in KF, since they can enhance gameplay and add variety, but at the moment, in my opinion we don't need any new weapons.

The current weapons present in the game mainly T4 weapons have made the game too easy. Suicidal with people you know, who are organized and have good synergy with can finish a suicidal match with perks as low as level 4 with T3 weapons, which, is ridiculous.

Most of the weps you've mentioned as Zeptorem have said, are useless compared to the weapons already in game, will affect balance issues and are only for cosmetic purposes.

For new weapons to be introduced, it only makes sense that either Tripwire Buffs the current zed portfolio or add new ones so that we may NEED new toys .

Otherwise, a DLC just like the previous two would make much more sense, replacing the skins of the current weaps in the game or maybe increasing the perk system to lvl7 for these new toys ONLY for cosmetic purposes coz...man...it'l literally be like "shooting a fish in a barrell" if they introduce more bigger guns than what we already have.

 

[Sammers]

i support the idea of new weapons in KF, since they can enhance gameplay and add variety, but at the moment, in my opinion we don't need any new weapons.

Tripwire seem to disagree, since they've given us the impression that they are working on a new weapon for Firebug

 

[CandleJack]

The point is though, it fills no gaps in the game and isn't really needed. Much like the other suggestions.

That's not the point. The point was, if the G36K was to make it into KF, it wouldn't be unrealistic as British police actually use the gun, and thus may have a few lying around.

 

[C_Gibby]

That's not the point. The point was, if the G36K was to make it into KF, it wouldn't be unrealistic as British police actually use the gun, and thus may have a few lying around.

I wouldn't mind a G36K because it is a realistic addition to KF but I would prefer a more interesting gun. Like, a Bren Gun.

 

[CandleJack]

I wouldn't mind a G36K because it is a realistic addition to KF but I would prefer a more interesting gun. Like, a Bren Gun.

A Bren gun or a BAR would be even better than a G36K, because they're proper British (or in the case of the Bren, half British) guns that are recognisable and are bad-arse.

But a G36K over a SCAR or M14 for realism in this case.

Who else would rather have had an L1A1 SLR instead of the SCAR or M14?

 

[BBboy20]

British WW2 weapon pack seems like a good idea.

 

[C_Gibby]

British WW2 weapon pack seems like a good idea.

 

[birdosrus]

forget all these futuristic guns cause theye been in all games all the time or soemthin we should just use bows and arrows and shields and swords and flintlock pistols or muskets and for those guns add the realistic effect of hour long reloads and point blank shots that miss horribly

 

[Zeron]

forget all these futuristic guns cause theye been in all games all the time or soemthin we should just use bows and arrows and shields and swords and flintlock pistols or muskets and for those guns add the realistic effect of hour long reloads and point blank shots that miss horribly

sounds GREAT! I LOVE IT!

 

[Sammers]

That's not the point. The point was, if the G36K was to make it into KF, it wouldn't be unrealistic as British police actually use the gun, and thus may have a few lying around.

The ones that British Police used were modified to be semi-automatic.
Not as fun. Or useful I guess.

 

[CandleJack]

The ones that British Police used were modified to be semi-automatic.
Not as fun. Or useful I guess.

Still, the G36K would fit in a bit more than the M14 or SCAR right? AFAIK nobody in Britain uses either.

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But the half-British gun the Bren would be a good new weapon IMO

I say half British because the Bren was based on the Zb vz. 26:

The word Bren comes from Brno, the Czechslovak city where the Zb vz. 26 was made, and Enfield, the company that made the Bren.

Also the Bren was rebarreled to accept 7.62x51mm NATO rounds, so it would have damage comparable to the SCAR and M14. It would come with a 30-round box (the iconic curved one) or a 100-round pan magazine.

If anyone wants to know what a pan mag is i'll be happy to help.

Having the Bren in KF might be a realistic move, if the survivors learnt that all the problems with the Bren could be fixed by hitting the gun or turning the gas regulator.

So some specs for the Bren:

Place of origin: UK
Calibre: Fires 7.62 NATO (same as SCAR and M14) so similar damage
Weight: 9.75kg (21.6lb) loaded.
Rate of Fire: 500-520rpm (slightly slower than the AK47's 600rpm)
Feed system: 30 round box magazine or 100 round pan magazine.

The one that uses 7.62 NATO is the L4 Bren, note the slightly curved magazine:

This weapon could fall under both the Support and Commando perks, for similar reasons the LAW falls under Support and Demolitions.

For balance this could be the least powerful 7.62 NATO gun in KF, with the slowest fire rate and least ammo. Or this could be quite powerful but need to be fired using iron sights to shoot.

I have read that firing from a standing position is possible but with incredible muzzle climb, so this could function as a full-auto M14 for Commando and Support.

I hope that if a LMG perk is ever added, or any LMGs, that the Bren is it.