Sniper 'hides' and tips

[oldsoldier173]

Many of you know me as [JR]1SgStanley75 and I frustrate many of you with my ability to shoot you and you have no idea from where.
Lets review.
1. It is not Hollywood, and going 'high' is not always a good option, I do far more damage 'low' than high. The bad guy will look for you where he percieves you will be, that is high or 'best' area.

2. Muzzle flash and the old standby sticking your gun out the window as you feel you need to get closer to window to 'see' are easy tells when I am looking for you. Machinegunners that sit still and blaze away, aim about 2 in above flash and let it go, you don't need to see profile, you will hit. The swinging gun is just too easy. Be deep in the cover, use shadows and angles to limit flash exposure, and when the 'bot shots' start relocate.

3. Blend your background, the German Grey uniform blends far better in the urban terrain, the Russian khaki-grey in the bush, use that. Shadows and don't do the 'jack in the box' on top of the rise you are hiding behind, go to the side away from the direct line of fire and fire across the enemy total front, get the 'flank shots' and depend on teammates or bots to cover you direct front. I prefer hunting the human players, bot farming is boring, you can always tell the humans, their favorite spots, and their routes seldom vary.

4. High percentage shots, fire on non-moving first then the coming at you or away low angle shots, then work on the 'runner' at a 90* deflection.

5. Fire once and wait a few before letting off #2, I locate you by sound first, then terrain. The pidder patter of little feet also gives you away, patience.

6. Finally like real, you all have played the maps, it is like a 'map recon', where to go, when to be there to be most effective, and when to relocate and to where. Doing a D.I.P. (die in place) is not a effective use.
And avoid the 'favorites' we all know where they are.

Today on Bridges as German defending the last Bridge I was basically in the open, kneeling, back deep in the shadows behind one of the archways killing everything on the Bridge approach. High angle so the look to the front types had no clue, narrow but adequite field of fire, from the ammo supply building to the wall on opposite side. And the usual suspects going to the usual places and having no idea how I was getting them. I gave the position up and let a few see where it was so they could understand the concept, I won't be there for a while, but I now know where to look for the copy-cats when I am Russian.

Think, range and shadows are your freind.

 

[Gekko]

Sorry m8, never heard of you, but I do kill quite a few snipers

 

[Trotskygrad]

you forgot the favorite spot of all noob german snipers, top of voyentorg corner ruins.

 

[LordKhaine]

I think the most important tip for snipers is this. You aren't a true sniper, you're a marksman. Never forget that.

You should be busy picking off machine gunners, snipers and riflemen who are in cover at a fair distance. This means you don't have time to keep relocating or finding a particularly ingenious sniping spot. It means you can't afford to take your time waiting for the perfect shot. It doesn't matter how long you survive if you're achieving so little you're not justifying your slot on the team.

This is not to say you shouldn't occasionally shift position and keep your distance in general. Just don't obsess about it.

 

[Trotskygrad]

I think the most important tip for snipers is this. You aren't a true sniper, you're a marksman. Never forget that.

You should be busy picking off machine gunners, snipers and riflemen who are in cover at a fair distance. This means you don't have time to keep relocating or finding a particularly ingenious sniping spot. It means you can't afford to take your time waiting for the perfect shot. It doesn't matter how long you survive if you're achieving so little you're not justifying your slot on the team.

This is not to say you shouldn't occasionally shift position and keep your distance in general. Just don't obsess about it.

this is true, if you need to go closer to hit your target, do it.

 

[AlphaSix]

Many of you know me as [JR]1SgStanley75 and I frustrate many of you with my ability to shoot you and you have no idea from where.

I never have heard from you and i bet your K/D ratio is ca 0.2/1

 

[Joseph-Porta]

Im an sortof successful marksman by looking at my statistics. And my best tip is this..

Shoot and move, shoot move, shoot move.. Never stay in a spot after you have shot someone who you think might have the slightest idea where you shot from.
if they are hunting for you, defiantly change position all the time. You can rack up quite the kill streaks by doing this.

And dont be afraid to fight at "close" range. Feel free to join the infantry in the attack, hang just a few meters behind them and help them out. Hanging out in the back just makes you get few kills and incredible little points. A marksman is really useful in the front.

 

[GARY OAK]

I never have heard from you and i bet your K/D ratio is ca 0.2/1

K/D is not important in this game :<

its Ego boosting yes and it is nice to have a large ego.
but ultimately your ego does not win games.
I have been there.

Sniping in this game is all map knowledge
so long as you know where all the enemy sniper positions are/could be you are in for a winner.
apart from that. if you get counter sniped, dont run back to the same position, reposition.
and if you take out a few of the enemy reposition as soon as you can.

 

[oldsoldier173]

I too feel that the 'bot farming' KD ratio is pure ego boost, nothing more. How many times when scanning the servers do you see 1 player in aprtments, and what do you suppose he is doing there. Few can actually play effectively against human players.
I tend for a 'survival' game, stay alive and be effective rather than charge blindly ahead 'spray and pray' get shot, respawn, repeat...how much 'fun' is that.

Shot, move, communicate. I search for the humans, easy to spot and easier to find as stated if you know the maps, they are doing the same thing, time, after time, after time. And stay away from the 'hollywood' marksman/sniper hides. Again I tend more to the 'low' positions and 'off' angles, seldom where you expect me to be. I support the advance and the defense by covering the 'favorite' spots the humans tend to be at.
As soon as you see a human player racking up scores, and you 'know' this player you know where he is and what he is doing, and usually he is not watching the 'off' angles.

 

[Cyper]

I never have heard from you and i bet your K/D ratio is ca 0.2/1

K/D is not important in this game. If it is for you then please leave. You should never go all big on people, but the fact that you're a realism/CoD player yourself just makes it even more fun.

 

[AlphaSix]

K/D is not important....

This may sound like a quote from a lemming...

 

[Cwivey]

This may sound like a quote from a lemming...

Well, win/loss ratio is more important in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Joseph-Porta]

The most amusing place to actively snipe from IMO is in Fallen Fighters, where you as a German can get to the ruins in the north west corner of the map. And if you have the skill, hold the Russians away form there ^^ Until ofc they send in tanks to hunt you.

 

[Tehlulzpare]

This is great thread to figure out where the pesky enemy snipers are hiding. Thanks

 

[BuenaventuraDurruti]

Noob snipers arent all that bad. For instance, I like them when they get offed right next to me and generously give me their rifle. I never play as marksman, but when I do pick up their rifles, I tend to play like a more cautious rifleman. I try to be in sight of a good line of fire, keep a heavy mg in my view if possible, and look for movement with my rifle rested.

 

[Tehlulzpare]

Seriously though, while I never touch the class myself, a good marksman, playing like the OP suggested(Not sure if I've been under his gun myself, very well could have been) is absolutely terrifying. As long as its focused, a sniper rifle can lock whole areas of gameplay, and when the sniper is doing this, it is a game-changer.

Case in point: Fallen Fighters, a german sniper was at the top of the Univermag. He was doing a good job of racking up a good KD, but was killing all over the place, with no real focus. He also managed to kill his own team as effectively as ours. I managed to surprise him, and hilariously started using his position to keep the central park suppressed. Didn't last long, but was amusing.

Conversely, on Bridges, a single soviet sniper firing between two slats in a window held the last bridge on lockdown, stifling any attempt to move our defense back to the woods. He was focused, killing players first then the bots, and took a concerted effort to dislodge and remove him. While he ignored the move and relocate concept, he did manage to be such a nuisance that even though the german team won that round, it cut into our numbers and made it a close run thing. I'm sure that if he had a more aggressive team( I never once saw the tank), they would have won.

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

I think the most important tip for snipers is this. You aren't a true sniper, you're a marksman. Never forget that.

You should be busy picking off machine gunners, snipers.....

Wait, I thought you said they're Marksmen

.... and riflemen who are in cover at a fair distance. This means you don't have time to keep relocating or finding a particularly ingenious sniping spot. It means you can't afford to take your time waiting for the perfect shot. It doesn't matter how long you survive if you're achieving so little you're not justifying your slot on the team.

This is not to say you shouldn't occasionally shift position and keep your distance in general. Just don't obsess about it.

Well everybody has their tactics.... moving up with your team and plinking off the first target you see while not in cover, to me, is just as good as someone who hides well, stays back from the fighting, yet takes out key targets when needed.

While the guy running around with the scoped rifle can knock down a number of enemies and help his team in that way.... the guy with the scoped rifle looking over the battlefield at a distance, dropping MG's mowing their team down or dropping SL's and TL's so the enemy has less capping power and lack of spawning ability is just as important.

If a marksman is going to be right up in the thick of battle with the rest of his team, his targets will be at close/medium range, and if that's the case, he might as well switch to a riflemen class or something else, as the scope is not being utilized as it should be at such close distances, it blocks the player's view when combating close targets and your team now no longer has that long range advantage.... not to mention, you're easier to kill at that range.

And when you are killed in the middle of a battle, the enemy is now much closer to where you were killed and can and will often pick up your rifle.... now they have an extra marksman.... good job. Keep getting killed and they can end up with more.

.... Now who's really helping their team?

 

[oldsoldier173]

Human hunting in this game is the tell of a real marksman. I spend my game hunting the humans rather than 'bot farming'. Bots if unlead just meander around in the general direction. Humans are the ones hunched over and running cover to cover, or in the 'usual' spots doing the usual 'things' they do, over and over.

The 300m scopes of the era can make some pretty impressive shots, I am up in the 250m plus range with a few hits here and there. 'Sniping' is more a fear factor part of this game. A 'close' one even at extreme range will get the human player to rethink what he had planned since now he is under fire.

My sole problem is I get 'bot' caged too much, I hang in an area too long and the 'bots' are all over as I try to egress out and relocate.

MY boy as well as a few freinds have a drill for 'find the sniper'. Ole Franz or Ivan just got shot by a sniper. Having done this before ITRW my first question is "Where would I be to shot ole Franz/Ivan there?" and I begin to scan the suspect areas. Once I localize the area I would of shot from, based on the fire lane, I tell the boy or freind to 'dance' around for a second and see if I get movement or muzzle flash in the area. My boy is real good at this, and has his 'dance' timed well. Up, move, then dive in a hole, the bad guy 'sniper' will usually rise and focus all his attention on the spot he disappeared at, and I plink em in the ole 'brain housing group' And poppin the 'sniper/marksman thinking they have an easy kill is what I play for, bot killing is for amatuers.

Your job as a marksman/sniper is to take out crew served weapons, you know where the mounted MMG's are, take out Commanders, you know where the radios and spotting areas are, and any threat to your caps, at a distance, keep the bad guys thinking and off balance. I have games where the humans go into pure 'get the sniper' mode rather than cappin objectives, interdiction it is called ITRW, get the enemy off their game plan, trade for time, and here with fixed timed games once you get the bad guys off their needed 'timetable' all goes well.

Now if you want to run around in the assault as just a rifleman concerned about K/D ratio's well take a non scoped rifle, your field of vision and reaction time is far better.

One of the reasons I play sniper/marksman or tanker is all I have is a small laptop and real old eyes, so need the magnifacation to see let alone hit anything.

 

[teemu92]

Noob snipers arent all that bad. For instance, I like them when they get offed right next to me and generously give me their rifle. I never play as marksman, but when I do pick up their rifles, I tend to play like a more cautious rifleman. I try to be in sight of a good line of fire, keep a heavy mg in my view if possible, and look for movement with my rifle rested.

Same here!

 

[Tehlulzpare]

Noob snipers arent all that bad. For instance, I like them when they get offed right next to me and generously give me their rifle.

I remember playing a Marksmen once, and not hitting squat with the rifle, so I actually passed it off to someone else; Was pretty funny at the time, but he actually shot someone with it so it may have done some good .