[Skin] Isaac Clarke

[FluX]

*********** seriously you really have made a proper bad name for yourself. Like Hemi said, "this is below the belt" and you really need to grow up seriously. Theiving is theiving no matter how you do it and he is releasing SOMEONE ELSE'S work WITHOUT permission. I have some stuff that is not released but I haven't released it due to unfinished work OR not permission to release it to public.

 

[Hemi]

I think he was trying to make a point or something. Seeing Dave posting a mod someone paid him for. Ore maybe Dave was making the point...im lost here. How they got it in their heads to post an unfinished mod from one of our OPEN to public BETA servers over here is beyond me.

I make my mods for the public, everyone knows that. And I have nothing to hide. We made the deadspace server public so we would get nice feedback on how to improve it...so we could make a nice package in the end for people to use. Instead...this happens.

Last time I posted a witty remark and use the freedom of speech on these boards...thats for sure.

 

[Marco]

Let mod makers theyself to decide

Actually if you read the EULA:

Your Mods must be distributed for free, period. Neither you, nor any
other person or party, may sell them to anyone, commercially exploit
them in any way, or charge anyone for receiving or using them without
prior written consent from Tripwire Interactive. You may exchange
them at no charge among other end users and distribute them to others
over the Internet, on magazine cover disks, or otherwise for free.

 

[MetalMedved]

Theiving is theiving no matter how you do it and he is releasing SOMEONE ELSE'S work WITHOUT permission

So strange... In this thread most people think the contrary

You may exchange
them at no charge among other end users and distribute them to others
over the Internet, on magazine cover disks, or otherwise for free

It writes "you" not "everyone"

 

[Gartley]

Ok stealing aside, both *********** and that other site are SELLING mods which I will repeat what Marco was kind enough to find a quote:

Your Mods must be distributed for free, period. Neither you, nor any
other person or party, may sell them to anyone, commercially exploit
them in any way, or charge anyone for receiving or using them without
prior written consent from Tripwire Interactive. You may exchange
them at no charge among other end users and distribute them to others
over the Internet, on magazine cover disks, or otherwise for free.

Key points here.

Your Mods must be distributed for free, period. Neither you, nor any other person or party, may sell them to anyone, commercially exploit them in any way, or charge anyone for receiving or using them without prior written consent from Tripwire Interactive.

You need explicit permission to sell any content for KF. ANY CONTENT

You may exchange them at no charge among other end users and distribute them to others over the Internet, on magazine cover disks, or otherwise for free.

This means you can not make assets and sell them on for use within KF. Nor can you RESELL assets. Take the Isaac skin for example. it's one thing taking the asset and throwing it into a small mod for kicks, another entirely to try and sell it as a KF mod. Not only are you breaking the EULA of KF you are going to get EA come down on your *** for trying to sell their property.

 

[MetalMedved]

There are many paid kf projects all over the steam. Actually I mostly take charge for making personal mods. Resells are exeption

 

[Hemi]

You think Dest got any money for his defence alliance 2 then? Just a thought...

EDIT : just asked him...answer is NO!

 

[Gartley]

There are many paid kf projects all over the steam. Actually I mostly take charge for making personal mods. Resells are exeption

That is still a breach of the EULA. Even though you are charging for the service as you put it. You can't make that distinction here sorry.

I'll add this final note to this discussion, as mod authors we are afforded no protection to anything we make. We are permitted to make these mods by the grace of original teams. In this case TWI allow and encourage us to make mods for their game as long as we hold to the EULA; any breach of that, ESPECIALLY that of making a profit from it, risks us loosing this blessing.

As we have no legal protection for our mods we as modders have to rely on one another's decency. Credit where credit is due, link to original threads and downloads. If you want to make your own version or see how something is done ASK for the source and permission. It isn't hard guys.

 

[MetalMedved]

That is still a breach of the EULA. Even though you are charging for the service as you put it. You can't make that distinction here sorry.

Actually see no logical connection. Services not equal sells. Any person has right to make services for another person for profit. It writes in civil code.

Anyway there are people who wants to make public relations by sharing their own mods. There is nothing outstanding. But also there are people who has ideas but can't wait for another awesome mod from community.

It looks like you guys worry about not you give a lead but just every user

 

[FluX]

Mate you really don't get it do you? You're breaking all these rules and you think it don't occur to you aswel? Im still awaiting for a Moderator to say their view on how this should be turnt out as this is getting to the point where we NEED a proper view on all of this instead of us all saying our views.

 

[braindead]

I really don't understand this crap. I reported *********** weeks ago for selling mods and not a thing has been done about it. at least his Steam account should have been closed?

Ok so this calls for DRASTIC action, Metal, expect your site to be extremely hacked! I will take everything you have and distribute it freely across the web, I may even deposit your donations into my own account whilst I am there for good measure.
This goes for anyone else who thinks it is cute to sell and distribute stuff, that they don't have permission to!

 

[Hemi]

If Braindead goes mental on yer ***...you will know its serious...

 

[dcory]

i agree with Hemi,Braindead will be seriously pissed off.

 

[dangercake]

Just face it ***********......

 

[trehmilou]

Services not equal sells. Any person has right to make services for another person for profit. It writes in civil code.

Ouch. It's common sense that you ask an artist for his permission BEFORE you distribute his work. Not asking and even selling other peoples stuff is like stealing property, imo.

Remember the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette

 

[J.D.*]

I may even deposit your donations into my own account whilst I am there for good measure.

sharing's caring

 

[braindead]

lol you know the funniest thing about the internet? no one knows who anyone else is! we all assume that we are all 15 year old gamers who have no life but no one knows exactly who anyone is or what people are capable of.

How do you know that your neighbour isn't a serial killer or your 'friend' on the web used to be a major hacker in the late nineties and could cause serious problems for you?
You don't, so why take the gamble?

I don't have a malicious bone in my body but that doesn't mean that I couldn't demolish your site in the space of an hour, if I wanted to.

Please just heed my warning before offending anyone that you may regret.

 

[halbridious]

Gah. This thread contains 3 major violations of the "Things not to do in a mod forum" list:
1) Claim other mods as your own
2) Charge for them
3) Create the possibility for asshats in the corporate office to shut down modders because of copyrights.

Then there's the fact that half of this is written by russians, and no offense, but i can't make head nor tail of whatever the hell google translate spat out most of the time.

Anyway - Skins looking good hemi. Hope it finishes well
As to people resposible for the above violations - If it weren't for the fact that it would likely affect the community and not just you, i'd lead EA to your doorstep myself just to watch you burn. i've been to metal's site a few times and been sickened by the crap he's SOLD. And a few delvings into his archive pages shows just how much content has been STOLEN.

 

[Valken]

I see this situation both ways actually...

M did give credit to Hemi/EA and did not charge money for this mutator, BUT should have checked with Hemi to make sure it was final and ready for full public release.

M does OFFER an optional for pay service to help people program custom mutators if they cannot do it on their own or find another modder to make it. Thats a contract for hire between individuals which is legal.

The issue is that the products (mods) needs to be distributed for FREE per KF EULA. So M should not/can not charge for finished mods.

And should not take credit for other peoples work such as models, animations or whatever assets he used. Credit needs to always be given but the actual coding (UC scripting) work should be credited back to M if he made it.

I think that is mainly the confusion.

I've worked in the gaming industry in the past and even I had to contract external programmers for projects that our internal dev team was too busy for. But the product was distributed under our EULA guidelines.

 

[dangercake]