Siren Logic Flaw
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lol, dude =))
Here. Siren is sound, and physic 101, sound is wave, and it cause oscillation. When resonance happens, the force resulted could be tremendous high, enough to break any solid, hard object that is lock tight. In this case, it's the door.
Human body, on the other hand, isnt nailed down to the surface, and the sound feels just like a strong gust. Reality check, if your armor couldnt stand a strong wind, dont wear it.
But hey, we're human, we have ears. Remember what happens when we first attend a live concert of death metal? Too loud sound could cause damage to the ears, including bleeding and could cause disrupted vision, even knock out cold a normal person. Prolong expose to loud sound is proven to has mental consequences. More over, high-frequency sound (sonic sound) could cause malfunction to human body. So TWI just elaborate it a bit, which is completely plausible. Hey, we have a sonic weapon that is lethal in close range
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device[/URL]
Is there any other question?
First off, don't use 'dude' and physics in the same post. Doesn't jive well brah.
If your argument is that the sound is a passing wave, why then doesn't it break the armor at close range. Granted, it would affect the body more than the armor, or even a door, but seriously sound breaking down a door and not body armor doesn't make sense and you know it.
FYI, keep it clean and precise, leave no room for misinterpretation.
Edit: because of all the broken language above and obviously using words you do not understand the meaning behind, "the way the game was designed" is still in the lead.
If your argument is that the sound is a passing wave, why then doesn't it break the armor at close range. Granted, it would affect the body more than the armor, or even a door, but seriously sound breaking down a door and not body armor doesn't make sense and you know it.
FYI, keep it clean and precise, leave no room for misinterpretation.
Edit: because of all the broken language above and obviously using words you do not understand the meaning behind, "the way the game was designed" is still in the lead.
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From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon
In 2005 CNN reported that the crew of the cruise ship Seabourn Spirit used a long range acoustic device (LRAD) to deter pirates who chased and attacked the ship[5]. Its actual efficacy, however, has not been established. A similar system is called a "magnetic acoustic device".[3]
Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4857417
Just some more evidence for you guys, I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about how sound's power comes from pressure
Again, there is no reason why her scream can do damage to a welded door and not body armor.
In 2005 CNN reported that the crew of the cruise ship Seabourn Spirit used a long range acoustic device (LRAD) to deter pirates who chased and attacked the ship[5]. Its actual efficacy, however, has not been established. A similar system is called a "magnetic acoustic device".[3]
Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4857417
Just some more evidence for you guys, I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about how sound's power comes from pressure
Again, there is no reason why her scream can do damage to a welded door and not body armor.
First, why not? I call my tutor dude, and he calls me dude, what's wrong?
Second, if you want it to be the game design, let be it. I dont give ****. I'm not paid to teach you, and if I am, I'll give up the job. I cant teach who ego is bigger than knowledge. Out.
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lol, bud, I'm not, like, I dont like what I said, but, frankly, please take this with a grant of salt, but...
Just some more evidence for you guys, I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about how sound's power comes from pressure
I mean, co'on, seriously? That's what happens when a grenade explodes. Explosive causes high pressure, that's why it explodes, and that's why the KA-BOOOOOM sound.
Normal sound comes from air get pressed together, but that's the biggest example.
No offense, but do you know what resonance is?
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Yes, and I also understand, unlike you, that in order for something to break because of a sonic resonance it needs to move and flex. Taking this into account, the armor would shift and flex like a glass. However, the armor is much more flexible than a glass and would probably take the change without too much concern.
So this brings us full circle, why then would a Siren's scream not destroy armor but destroy a door?
Metal and wood are much more malleable than glass because they are fibrous and, like the armor, would handle the change more effectively.
This one should be a little harder.
So this brings us full circle, why then would a Siren's scream not destroy armor but destroy a door?
Metal and wood are much more malleable than glass because they are fibrous and, like the armor, would handle the change more effectively.
This one should be a little harder.
Oh, so that's why. I'm sorry, but using a hammer to break a rock and break a stack paper, which one is more difficult?
A rock is hard, that's why we can break it by a hammer, but a pile of paper (just normal paper, please, dont use uzber-bullet-proof paper), I'm sure it'll take at least till xmax.
Oh, so that's why we argue, lucky me
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The point is, if anything, that the sound would be reflected because of metal's amazing reflection ability, and would simply pass through wood.
The siren would be damaging herself and anything around her.
Also, why is it that a decapitated Fleshpound can walk around without a central nervous system. Better than that, how can it get angry without an amygdala?
Edit: Let's see how far this **** can go.
The siren would be damaging herself and anything around her.
Also, why is it that a decapitated Fleshpound can walk around without a central nervous system. Better than that, how can it get angry without an amygdala?
Edit: Let's see how far this **** can go.
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Well, that's another thing. Flexible sometime doesnt go along with hard, but it take a lot of time to bend a mental, and it also depend on how you bend it. By long time, I mean longer than the time of the oscillation happens.
When I talked about sound last time, I was talking about the force cause by the sound wave, not the wave itself. This force is not a constant, but rather, a function of sin(f(t)). When the force is maxed, say, the door is bend inside, and when the force is min, due to its flexibility, the door throw itself outside(layman term). This is oscillation, and if the f of external force = f of internal oscillation, resonance happens.
and hey, I've seen people bend glass
First, sound is not suppose to pass thru anything. It make that thing vibrates, and thing vibrates cause sound wave. That's why the sound is distorted when we listen it thru a wall.
Second, metal has no amazing reflection ability. it's not a mirror (maybe close, but not), and second, it's not reflex (or you wont hurt yourself hitting something made of metal)
True, I believe siren should hurt herself and others before breaking the door, but maybe they got friendly fire turn off??? Who know?
I'm no expert on biologic, so I cant say for fp case, but hey, I notice those little *****, You dont want to be my student, I dont want to be your teacher, too. If you see this's too much, just say, I'll stop.
I'm a bit lazy now...
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The sirens scream is too high to damage your body. It can damage your ears though.
The scream would have to be at around 100db at 60hz in order to break down doors or rupture organs in your body
The scream would have to be at around 100db at 60hz in order to break down doors or rupture organs in your body
Metal reflects sound, wood dampens sound because it allows more of the pressure to pass through it. Similar to any of the padding that is applied to sound proof rooms. It diffuses the waves.
Metal is a horrible diffuser, therefore is more reflective in terms of sound waves and pressure.
i would like to think that the doors (wooden and metal) in this game are hollow, cheap doors. the doors can only be destroyed when they're make-shift welded shut. when the siren screams i like to think that the doors are rapidly fluctuating, (from her vibrations) making them slowly weaker, until they break.
example: my friend has a ****ty car, but a nice sound system, he plays bass heavy rap music, causing his windows to shake
(this scares me quite a bit)
her screams don't affect our armor (made of kevlar and stretchy breathable mesh), because a sound wave is really just vibration. it doesn't affect our bodies either for the same reason. it does however, affect our ears to such a degree, it damages us, as bio666 said
example: you're in an insulated room with a siren, her large decibel, high frequency scream waves bounce of everything, you, the walls, desks, (except glass, of course) but reaching your ear canal they rupture your ear drums and cause bleeding, dizziness and other trauma.
your inner ear contains plenty of things for vibrations to destroy, tiny hairs and fluids that you need for hearing, and also an organ that affects motion and gravity.
example: my friend has a ****ty car, but a nice sound system, he plays bass heavy rap music, causing his windows to shake
(this scares me quite a bit)
her screams don't affect our armor (made of kevlar and stretchy breathable mesh), because a sound wave is really just vibration. it doesn't affect our bodies either for the same reason. it does however, affect our ears to such a degree, it damages us, as bio666 said
example: you're in an insulated room with a siren, her large decibel, high frequency scream waves bounce of everything, you, the walls, desks, (except glass, of course) but reaching your ear canal they rupture your ear drums and cause bleeding, dizziness and other trauma.
your inner ear contains plenty of things for vibrations to destroy, tiny hairs and fluids that you need for hearing, and also an organ that affects motion and gravity.
The hollow doors seem like a plausible reason, and I never really thought that the Siren should do damage to the armor. The original post was, logically if a Siren can bust down a door(other than a hollow or otherwise composite) then why can't she hurt armor.
The Siren should never be able to hurt armor.
The Siren should also never be able to bust down a door(other than mentioned by loaf)
The Siren should be able to destroy a human.
If the Siren was able to break a door, the theoretical power she would need to produce would destroy herself as well.(Why is she immune anyway, no ears?)
Leaves one final question: How can a Fleshpound rage, walk, attack, and coordinate himself without a brain?
Horzine, you sneaky sneaky basterds(love the movie).
Edit:
There are three prizes to be given out:
Most actual knowledge:
Bio.
Most helpful theory:
Loaf.
Most rational response:
Omar.
Well, enough of the Siren debate, however more arguments are still welcome.
Maybe now we can concentrate on the Fleshpound conundrum?
Everyone dig?
The Siren should never be able to hurt armor.
The Siren should also never be able to bust down a door(other than mentioned by loaf)
The Siren should be able to destroy a human.
If the Siren was able to break a door, the theoretical power she would need to produce would destroy herself as well.(Why is she immune anyway, no ears?)
Leaves one final question: How can a Fleshpound rage, walk, attack, and coordinate himself without a brain?
Horzine, you sneaky sneaky basterds(love the movie).
Edit:
There are three prizes to be given out:
Most actual knowledge:
Bio.
Most helpful theory:
Loaf.
Most rational response:
Omar.
Well, enough of the Siren debate, however more arguments are still welcome.
Maybe now we can concentrate on the Fleshpound conundrum?
Everyone dig?
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