Should special features stay with event maps?

[RuneHarle]

I know the topic of the xmas zeds has been brought up quite a bit and I'm glad that someone made a mutator for them even though TWI said that it will never be whitelisted. That is not my argument.

I am asking the opinion of the community on whether or not we as a whole believe that special features should stay on special maps, even if that means turning off the event achievements i.e. x-mas zeds on santas evil lair, circus zeds on abusement park, and glados in aperature.

I feel that these things where brought to the public as extra content and should be kept with the game as it continues to make killing floor unique. Now I do understand that some people feel that if you missed the event you shouldn't get the event bonuses. I stand somewhere in the middle there, I see no need to deprive the general public of VERY WELL MADE content but I do see a reason to remove the event prizes. Even as it is now if you completed all the christmas events and did not unlock a map achievement, you could still unlock baddest santa by completeing the map, I helped my friend do it after the event. He completed the regular achievements but did not complete a map until after the event and it still unlocked. The same will probably be for abusement parks Steam Punk Foster. This means that you aren't really removing the prizes as it is now so why remove the nifty things about the map?

TWI stated that they wanted the x-mas zeds to only be around during the holiday season. I do understand this, yes it does make them somewhat differant in that respect, but say killing floor plumits and someone picks up this game in 2 years. They will never even see those zeds.

This is why I move that all special maps keep special content, and achievement aquisition is disabled outside of the event.

I will understand with those who disagree as this is a bit of a split issue. Please discuss your thoughts on this matter.

 

[Gee]

Where's the option to have the achievements inside the maps?

 

[cesco]

I don't like this poll because it's oversimplifying an argument that is far more complex.

I have nothing wrong with event-specific achievements as long as the event is recurring, like the christmas and summer events, but when the event is non-recurring (portal 2 arg) I believe the achievements should remain always available or be removed. I bought the game at the summer sale and because of that, like many others, I will never be able to complete the game achievements because the portal-related ones had already been disabled.

The steam achievement system is a way to track the "completion" of the game (hence the progress bar), so I don't believe that permanently cutting users out of some achievements is in the spirit of the system.

 

[Steg]

No option for 'Yes with achievements enabled'?

 

[Deadbolt]

No option for 'Yes with achievements enabled'?

I don't think there is a point in having that as an option as it is the least likely to happen.

 

[kablooie!]

I don't think there is a point in having that as an option as it is the least likely to happen.

There also wouldn't be any reason to have the events at all anymore if that were to happen.

 

[RuneHarle]

No option for 'Yes with achievements enabled'?

The only reason I left that option out is stated above. There would be no point in having the event again if the event prizes and achievements were always there.

 

[-[SiN]-bswearer]

i voted for theme content sticking with theme maps....

No option for 'Yes with achievements enabled'?

if you mean the theme "event" achievements, i'd agree that they should be enabled to an extent......all should still be achievable accept for the special unlocks like say the BA Santa or Steampunk Foster. those should have been achieved within the timeframe of the event, but as for the rest of the content, as i've said before in various threads that discussed this, the theme maps just aren't any special without the theme zeds. it's also quite a waste for TW to have spent all that time working on this stuff and than not keep 80% of it in the game. 1 month isn't a lot of time for the costumer to appreciate TW's work

 

[RuneHarle]

as i've said before in various threads that discussed this, the theme maps just aren't any special without the theme zeds. it's also quite a waste for TW to have spent all that time working on this stuff and than not keep 80% of it in the game. 1 month isn't a lot of time for the costumer to appreciate TW's work

I agree completely, too much work has been put into these special features for them to just be put aside for them to possibly be seen next year. I truly believe that they are really under rating what they have done.


BTW down voting me just because you don't like my thread does nothing.

 

[kablooie!]

the theme maps just aren't any special without the theme zeds.

you could also say the events wouldn't be anything special if you could play with the zeds any time.

 

[Undedd Jester]

Once TWI stop supporting Killing Floor I think they should definately be made inherant to their home map. Until then I'm quite happy them being event only.

 

[HaTeMe]

I understand TWIs point of view, that the events would feel less special if the new skins/models would stay in the related maps but
a) for anyone who already saw the event on the previous year its not gonna be anything particularry exciting anyway and
b) I doubt theyll be redoing the events for that many years anyway unless theres still thousands of players after 5 years.

So Id say keep the custom zeds in the maps, at least that would separate them from any community made maps.

 

[9_6]

Yes they should.
There's a lot of work here that has an expiration date slapped on it cause while I think the christmas event will be reoccurring because, well, it's christmas, "abusement park" probably will not.
No, this is nothing we can decide with some poll, petition or whatever. Urgh.
They know full well that a large portion of the community wants this already. In the end, it's their babby and their decision where to take it.

 

[calmelbourne]

I definitely think it would be better to have the christmas zeds in the christmas map, the circus zeds in the circus map, and the glados trader in the aperture map. It would mean that the old content for those events would still be being used, and it would add more variety to the game, and suit the maps better. I think the normal trader just looks out of place in kf-aperture, for example.

 

[dogbadger]

to me it makes more sense having the glados trader in the portal map only, if it's easily done.
and i see no harm in keeping the circus stuff there for that map either - unless it adversly affects the overall game performance for some reason

 

[-[SiN]-bswearer]

you could also say the events wouldn't be anything special if you could play with the zeds any time.

that's what TW's response has always been.......and it's illogical.

for example:

if i could play the event maps anytime, then the event wouldn't be special.......so then why are the maps still in the game?

 

[RuneHarle]

I don't like this poll because it's oversimplifying an argument that is far more complex.

I have nothing wrong with event-specific achievements as long as the event is recurring, like the christmas and summer events, but when the event is non-recurring (portal 2 arg) I believe the achievements should remain always available or be removed. I bought the game at the summer sale and because of that, like many others, I will never be able to complete the game achievements because the portal-related ones had already been disabled.

The steam achievement system is a way to track the "completion" of the game (hence the progress bar), so I don't believe that permanently cutting users out of some achievements is in the spirit of the system.

There is nothing to say that the summer event will repeat. If your referring to the Xmas zeds then that is a different point and I'm adding them as a clear example of some of TWI's excellent work.

 

[cesco]

There is nothing to say that the summer event will repeat. If your referring to the Xmas zeds then that is a different point and I'm adding them as a clear example of some of TWI's excellent work.

Sorry if I used a bad example, my argument was generalized on the fact that IF the event is repeated and everybody gets a fair chance of unlocking the achievements every year (like the TF2 Halloween event) then I think that's perfectly fine but when the event will never happen again (Portal 2 ARG) then I don't think it is, because anybody who will buy the game after the event will be cut out of the achievements. The poll answers don't take in consideration if the event is repeated or not, that's why I said it oversimplifies the problem.

In the end, however, I think the whole poll is somehow pointless: even if you added those choices most users would vote to keep the exclusive achievements disabled and you know why? Because most people here are long-time players that already unlocked the achievements and love having something exclusive that new users won't be able to obtain. But, as I said, I don't really think the achievements system is made for that: it's made to track the game completion, not for exclusive badges.

Let's make it easy and put it this way: if when Nintendo released Mario 64 they added an internal timer that prevented you to complete all the game (get all gold stars) because you bought it too late would you be fine with it?

 

[!D4]

that's what TW's response has always been.......and it's illogical.

for example:

if i could play the event maps anytime, then the event wouldn't be special.......so then why are the maps still in the game?

touch

 

[RuneHarle]

Thank you to those who have voted and posted, but I would like to see more of the forum's member's opinions. Please post your thoughts as I would like to see this from a broader standpoint.