Scoped ptrd

[D3terioNation]

Hey peeps

I really doubt anyone is going to make this & Im tired of waiting! Scopes were attached to tonnes of these AT rifles & I think it would be quite realistic (and fun!!!) to have this in-game!

Where can I get a simple tutorial that will help me ie step-by-step instructions, to get one made to be used in a custom map?

All help appreciated!!

 

[Bolt]

As an off-topic. Tonns, you say? Then could you please post some photos of them or at least sources, that give numbers of scoped AT rifles? I heard soviets tried to make such modifications, but were unsatisfied by the results.
But I agree, it will be fun to use, even if it's not very realistic

 

[Shurek]

Would be fairly easy to do from a coding perspective, but if you wanted the scope itself modeled in the first and third person that's a whole nutha ball of wax.

 

[D3terioNation]

As an off-topic. Tonns, you say? Then could you please post some photos of them or at least sources, that give numbers of scoped AT rifles? I heard soviets tried to make such modifications, but were unsatisfied by the results.
But I agree, it will be fun to use, even if it's not very realistic

To be fair Im struggling to find any good sources, but I now the Russians did experiment. To me it does make alot of sense to have a scoped version, especially when trying to be more accurate against the heavies!

 

[Sichartshofen]

If I remember correctly, Zaitsev used a scoped PTRD at some point and found it to be quite ineffective. Or I'm thinking of the guy who used a modified PTRD to take out MG nests. Experimented doesn't mean "tonnes" were equip with scopes.

 

[Lcpl_Yutt]

My guess is that the recoil was too heavy for the scope rings and base that were probably not meant to be used on a PTRD and it loosened up quite easily, thus loosing the zero. I'm just speculating here, any other thoughts?

 

[D3terioNation]

Ok so I exaggerated. They were used, but I cant really imagine why they were so ineffective?

 

[Bolt]

They lacked in accuracy. Plus, one needed to fire at medium german tanks from really close distances, no need in scopes at 40 meters
but Ill repeat myself - I'm totally for this idea!

 

[smokeythebear]

I'm doing a lot of modeling/skinning/unrealscript right now and wouldn't mind taking a crack at this.I need a small project for some experience and this is a good, yet basic idea. I'm not going to go digging around for source pictures and scale diagrams though so please post what you can find and I'll start working on it when I find the time.

 

[D3terioNation]

Thankyou for showing support. i hhve PM'D you my msn. Really wanna get this off the ground!

 

[Bennanteno]

I know for a fact that the North Koreans affixed scopes to donated PTRDs for use as sniper rifles in the Korean war. Not sure about the Russians.

 

[Grobut]

Ok so I exaggerated. They were used, but I cant really imagine why they were so ineffective?

I'm speculating here, but my guess would be loss of Zero, the PTRD generates a ton of recoil, much more than the 7.62 caliber weapons the Russian scopes where made for, it is very likely that they would loose their Zero when mounted on a gun that produces so much more recoil than what the scope was intended for, and if true, they would only work for one shot, after that, they would nolonger be aiming correctly.

 

[Basil]

I also think this would be a great weapon for some custom fun map.

 

[mlespaul]

I'm sure you've already seen this, (and probly not what you really wanted) but you might want to try contacting this guy:

http://www.antitank.co.uk/index.htm

maybe he can tell you if any telescopes were used and which ones. I myself have never seen any sort of optics used with these things.

good iron sights page for Boys and Grb39 Rifles:

http://www.gunpics.net/ironsights/ironsights.html

and

http://www.gunpics.net/german/grb39/grb39.html

 

[mlespaul]

The s.Pzb 41 had a ZF 1x11 and in other variants a specially configured ZF 3 x 8, whose reticle looks completely different than the standard Pak or Flak 3x8 configuration. It was also carried in the Sdkfz 250/11.

but I'm guessing this wheel-mounted weapon won't meet your needs for a smaller hand-carried pzb 39 - which I'm pretty certain wasn't outfitted with a telescope, at least what I've gleaned so far.

Excellent article: www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/may03.pdf

 

[lyosha]

Finnish snipers used LAHTI 20mm's to counter snipe the soviet counter snipers (what?). They would set up a dummy sniper dressed as an officer who is trying to cover him self, the soviet sniper couldnt resist and would take the shot, in turn the finnish counter snipers spotted where the shot came from and would either fire phosperous rounds into the area from the LAHTI or actually shoot the sniper, with 20mm .

 

[RedGuardist]

Finnish snipers used LAHTI 20mm's to counter snipe the soviet counter snipers (what?). They would set up a dummy sniper dressed as an officer who is trying to cover him self, the soviet sniper couldnt resist and would take the shot, in turn the finnish counter snipers spotted where the shot came from and would either fire phosperous rounds into the area from the LAHTI or actually shoot the sniper, with 20mm .

I wonder if that was very common? That L-39 was so big, heavy and cumbersome, that it must have been really hard to use it as sniper weapon.

 

[lyosha]

Even though wikipedia is a crap reference,

Quote from it:
"The gun was also widely used in the "Cold Charlie" technique, where the Finns would use a mannequin to pose as an officer sloppily covering himself, Soviet snipers would fire upon it, and the Finns would use the Lahti L-39 to fire at the Soviet sniper"