Ro2

[Jeremy Foote]

A COPY FROM THE OTHER THREAD OF WHAT THE OTHER GUY SAID, READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY AND UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I SURE AS HELL THINK HE IS 100% CORRECT ON WHERE HE IS GOING AT HERE.

I'm tired personally of people in the community crying about how realism should be improved, or how the game is not realistic enough, or how the game has mechanics that are not true to reality.

Let me pose a question here that I would love to have answered honestly.

How many of you have actually been in combat?
How many of you are actual trained INFANTRY SOLDIERS with actual combat experience?

These questions are important to ask when one starts griping about how unrealistic combat is!

Sway: No you are right there isn't a whole lot of sway in weapons while standing or crouched. Guess what in real life a trained soldier can fire his rifle accurately whether standing, kneeling, or prone with very little to no sway.

Bandage: While I do not like the bandage system (shoot someone point blank in chest with a rifle and they still kill you), the ability to move after getting hit isn't too much of an issue. Yes I have seen men in combat take hits and due to adrenaline they still do some amazing things in combat while under fire. Truth is adrenaline plus the will to survive is the trump card!

Many of you in the community may be soldiers with experience as well, and I hear very few of you stepping up to comment on these things. I am a real soldier. 10 years as an INFANTRY soldier with the 101st Airborne and multiple tours in Iraq. I personally like the combat system. I love the game. My clan has many people in it who played RO, ROOST, and the rest and they love the game. Now yes we all admit there are issues, but the game is great. Anyone who thinks a company isn't going to try something different from time to time is clueless. If that was done you would have the COD series in all of its rehashed glory. I know that many of you feel betrayed by game changes and different mechanics, but for hell sake get over it! I will still take RO2 over MW3, BF3, or any other modern remake available. If your life revolves around a game so much that you need to devote countless hours whining about how the game changes make you sad inside than un-install, unplug, and move the hell on. And on a side note, for a game that's supposedly dead and or dying because the old crew doesn't want to play, my server is full, and people do love it!

Just my two cents on the matter!

A COPY FROM THE OTHER THREAD OF WHAT THE OTHER GUY SAID, READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY AND UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I SURE AS HELL THINK HE IS 100% CORRECT ON WHERE HE IS GOING AT HERE.

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

I'm tired personally of people in the community crying about how realism should be improved, or how the game is not realistic enough, or how the game has mechanics that are not true to reality.

Let me pose a question here that I would love to have answered honestly.

How many of you have actually been in combat?

How many of you are actual trained INFANTRY SOLDIERS with actual combat experience?

Far fewer than some in here would lead you to believe.

These questions are important to ask when one starts griping about how unrealistic combat is!

Sway: No you are right there isn't a whole lot of sway in weapons while standing or crouched. Guess what in real life a trained soldier can fire his rifle accurately whether standing, kneeling, or prone with very little to no sway.

Bandage: While I do not like the bandage system (shoot someone point blank in chest with a rifle and they still kill you), the ability to move after getting hit isn't too much of an issue. Yes I have seen men in combat take hits and due to adrenaline they still do some amazing things in combat while under fire. Truth is adrenaline plus the will to survive is the trump card!

Many of you in the community may be soldiers with experience as well, and I hear very few of you stepping up to comment on these things. I am a real soldier. 10 years as an INFANTRY soldier with the 101st Airborne and multiple tours in Iraq. I personally like the combat system. I love the game. My clan has many people in it who played RO, ROOST, and the rest and they love the game. Now yes we all admit there are issues, but the game is great. Anyone who thinks a company isn't going to try something different from time to time is clueless. If that was done you would have the COD series in all of its rehashed glory. I know that many of you feel betrayed by game changes and different mechanics, but for hell sake get over it! I will still take RO2 over MW3, BF3, or any other modern remake available.

And I'll take RO2 over RO1 any day as well.

There have been a few other members in here, who have had real combat training/experience around when the Beta and Release occurred, and they mentioned many of the things you mentioned above..... and what I experience in RO2 matched much of my own training and experience with firearms.

Granted, my experience with WWII weapons are restricted to the Sten MKII, Bren Gun and Lee Enfield, but their weight, operation and handling wouldn't be too far off from the MG34 (Similar Weight to Bren) MP40 (Similar Weight and the exact same ammo as the Sten) and K98 (Lee Enfield, but perhaps a bit lighter due to less rounds)...... and what RO2 mimics matches what I have experienced.

Yes, the speed of which players can stop and bring up Iron Sights is a bit quick, and I think it should be slowed down a bit (but only by a very little amount) everything else seems pretty damn good and far better than the robotic, stiff and slow movement in RO1.... and the recoil and weapon sway in RO1 was a complete mockery.

If your life revolves around a game so much that you need to devote countless hours whining about how the game changes make you sad inside than un-install, unplug, and move the hell on. And on a side note, for a game that's supposedly dead and or dying because the old crew doesn't want to play, my server is full, and people do love it!

Indeed.... funny how that works isn't it?

Just my two cents on the matter!

And a nice two cents at that... I'd +rep you if I could but I used all my reps for the day.

But like me, expect to get a bunch of negative reps from the usual suspects.... they can't formulate any logical or reasonable debate or response, they can't refute anything you say, so they just lurk around tossing neg reps as if that somehow disproves your points.

They've been doing it to me for the last three weeks and dropped me from 5-6 green bars to now down to a red bar..... doesn't phase me any, in fact it just encourages me to take the gloves off, really speak my mind more than before and shove even more sh*t into people's faces..... if they want me to look like a bad member in the forums, then I'll show them just how bad I can get (within forum rules of course)

Badge of Honor as far as I'm concerned.

Anyways, I agree with everything you said, I love and enjoy RO2, play it as much as possible, is far more realistic than RO1 (hell the mod is more realistic than RO1).... and for all the butt hurt RO1 Aynal Vets who continually cry and moan about not getting what they wanted..... they can lick a brown chunk from my arse and go back to playing their RO1 or precious ARMA crap.

The majority of them probably only picked up a squirt gun in their lifetime, yet act like armchair warriors, dictating to the rest of us what's "Realistic" and defend their arguments by claiming unrealistic features in RO1 made the game more Realistic than the realistic elements in RO2...... yeah, cuz that makes so much sense

What a joke.

 

[Extension7]

I respect your dedication and service you have done for our country, I really do. But isn't this your 3rd or 4th thread on this matter of people whining about the game in general?

Complainers will complain, you can't stop them. There is no way to, and creating semi-pointless discussions every so often doesn't help the subject.

There are still plenty of people who don't complain and just play the game just like you.

If it's any constallation, once the SDK comes out, there'll be less complainers and more "Go mod it yourself" people ^_^

 

[TravisT]

I'm tired personally of people in the community crying about how realism should be improved, or how the game is not realistic enough, or how the game has mechanics that are not true to reality.

Let me pose a question here that I would love to have answered honestly.

How many of you have actually been in combat?
How many of you are actual trained INFANTRY SOLDIERS with actual combat experience?

These questions are important to ask when one starts griping about how unrealistic combat is!

Sway: No you are right there isn't a whole lot of sway in weapons while standing or crouched. Guess what in real life a trained soldier can fire his rifle accurately whether standing, kneeling, or prone with very little to no sway.

Bandage: While I do not like the bandage system (shoot someone point blank in chest with a rifle and they still kill you), the ability to move after getting hit isn't too much of an issue. Yes I have seen men in combat take hits and due to adrenaline they still do some amazing things in combat while under fire. Truth is adrenaline plus the will to survive is the trump card!

Many of you in the community may be soldiers with experience as well, and I hear very few of you stepping up to comment on these things. I am a real soldier. 10 years as an INFANTRY soldier with the 101st Airborne and multiple tours in Iraq. I personally like the combat system. I love the game. My clan has many people in it who played RO, ROOST, and the rest and they love the game. Now yes we all admit there are issues, but the game is great. Anyone who thinks a company isn't going to try something different from time to time is clueless. If that was done you would have the COD series in all of its rehashed glory. I know that many of you feel betrayed by game changes and different mechanics, but for hell sake get over it! I will still take RO2 over MW3, BF3, or any other modern remake available. If your life revolves around a game so much that you need to devote countless hours whining about how the game changes make you sad inside than un-install, unplug, and move the hell on. And on a side note, for a game that's supposedly dead and or dying because the old crew doesn't want to play, my server is full, and people do love it!

Just my two cents on the matter!

Looks amazingly similar to post 55 in this thread 20 or so minutes earlier:

[URL]http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?p=979041#post979041

Only by a different author. Does this forum allow multiple accounts?[/URL]

 

[hockeywarrior]

Hmm either you are super fond of another member of this forum and wish to quote them completely (and not give them credit), or you're logging in with multiple accounts to say the same thing ... wow. Either way it's quite sad.

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=979018&postcount=55

Ahem.

 

[Nezzer]

That's weird. In every single video I've seen of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan there were no run 'n gunning, no Rambos, the soldiers were moving slowly, carefully, using a lot of suppressing fire and it actually looked a lot more similar to an RO1 battle than to an RO2 battle.

I've never denied that some individual features of RO2 are realistic, but it's completely pointless to have realistic features if the result of putting them all together is not realistic.

RO1: unrealistic features/realistic result
RO2: realistic features/unrealistic result

What of these are more important in a tactical shooter?

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

Hmm either you are super fond of another member of this forum and wish to quote them completely (and not give them credit), or you're logging in with multiple accounts to say the same thing ... wow. Either way it's quite sad.

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=979018&postcount=55

Ahem.

I knew I read that somewhere else!

 

[Jeremy Foote]

YES this is a re-post of what the other guy said, sorry I did not quote it BUT THIS needs to stop because to me this game is very fun and I see no problem with it.

 

[Jeremy Foote]

That's weird. In every single video I've seen of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan there were no run 'n gunning, no Rambos, the soldiers were moving slowly, carefully, using a lot of suppressing fire and it actually looked a lot more similar to an RO1 battle than to an RO2 battle.

I've never denied that some individual features of RO2 are realistic, but it's completely pointless to have realistic features if the result of putting them all together is not realistic.

RO1: unrealistic features/realistic result
RO2: realistic features/unrealistic result

What of these are more important in a tactical shooter?

You are 100% wrong, you are talking about the wars that are going on NOW and we are talking about WW2, BECAUSE IN WW2 SOLDIERS DID RUN LIKE THAT. Go around and ask veterans that IRL because they will tell you, THE WARS TODAY ARE NOT LIKE WW2 mate, go troll somewhere else. WW2 was close battle, a lot of running around and all of that, close tank battles, dogfights and all of that crap, do we see that today? no we do not.

If you want modern fighting GO play bf3 or mw3 not this game.

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

You are 100% wrong, you are talking about the wars that are going on NOW and we are talking about WW2, BECAUSE IN WW2 SOLDIERS DID RUN LIKE THAT. Go around and ask veterans that IRL because they will tell you, THE WARS TODAY WERE NOT LIKE THE WARS DURING WW2 mate, go troll somewhere else.

That and keep in mind that those people in Iraq/Afghanistan who are doing the filming are usually reporters/civilians and are not usually allowed to be thrown in the heat of battle or the front lines, usually put far back in a safer area, thus you only get a limited view on what really goes on..... much more footage is generally restricted until after the conflict is over and are declassified, for security of the mission and the troops involved.

Much of the footage we see now of WWII wasn't easily available for many to see until after the war..... and especially with the Soviet Union, it's only been the last few years that the rest of the world has been able to see media from their side of the war.

 

[Jeremy Foote]

You are 100% wrong, you are talking about the wars that are going on NOW and we are talking about WW2, BECAUSE IN WW2 SOLDIERS DID RUN LIKE THAT. Go around and ask veterans that IRL because they will tell you, THE WARS TODAY ARE NOT LIKE WW2 mate, go troll somewhere else. WW2 was close battle, a lot of running around and all of that, close tank battles, dogfights and all of that crap, do we see that today? no we do not.

BTW I updated my post. >.>

 

[DAT]

But the other thread said this game was a failure!!!!! I am so glad it is a failure. I guess I better quit now! only 350 hrs logged! sarc.

 

[DAT]

oh and you could not constantly run around, only short dashes or sprints. After a few of those you are done no matter how good of shape you are in.

 

[illinifan]

ro2 may be more realistic, but ro1 was more fun, realistic, and tactical due to some of the unrealistic features-no double zoom, weapon sway, one shot kills/no bandaging

 

[Don Draper]

Here is some interesting video of Fighting in the iran iraq war...

I thought it might help this thread:
Iranians engage Iraqi T-72 - YouTube

 

[Jeremy Foote]

>.>

 

[Cyper]

RO2 isn't more realistic due to features like twitchy movements, perks, skillpoints, unlocks, quick bandaging, radar etc, It's more unrealistic, nothing else. The realism is ROOST is still on the top compared to RO2. When it comes to more slowpaced tactical combat RO OST wins agian. I don't know, but some people seems to think that if RO2 is fun It's realistic. This is not true either. Fun doesn't equal realism, neither do accessibility.

By the way, I think must people know that you're tired of people who complain. I doubt you will be able to change that by complaining about the complainers and telling them how wrong it is to complain.

I thought I had seen you write something similar before.
I believe I was right.


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[Don Draper]

By the way, I think must people know that you're tired of people who complain. I doubt you will be able to change that by complaining about the complainers and telling them how wrong it is to complain.

I thought I had seen you write something similar before.
I believe I was right.

dude you are the last person who should be telling someone they are repeating themselves on there opnions ....

I find it hard to look at a thread with out you in it dis-in the game because of what you dont like.

 

[Cyper]

dude you are the last person who should be telling someone they are repeating themselves on there opnions ....

I find it hard to look at a thread with out you in it dis-in the game because of what you dont like.

I knew someone would say this. But that's it; opinions.

I always try to back up my opinions with an argument (hence why some of my posts get quite long) instead of crying out loud. I am not saying that my opinions and arguments always is the absolute truth but I don't try to stop people from expressing their opinions aslong as it makes sense.

Going around with ''Stop complaining. I think the game is good.''- attitude is IMO pointless. It wont change someone's mind either. If people think RO2 have some issues that's about it. It's a forum after all so people will complain, people will come up with ideas, because that's what the board is for. As long as it's constructive I really don't care.

 

[rancenstein]

I knew someone would say this. But that's it; opinions.

I always try to back up my opinions with an argument (hence why some of my posts get quite long) instead of crying out loud. I am not saying that my opinions and arguments always is the absolute truth but I don't try to stop people from expressing their opinions aslong as it makes sense.

Going around with ''Stop complaining. I think the game is good.''- attitude is IMO pointless. It wont change someone's mind either. If people think RO2 have some issues that's about it. It's a forum after all so people will complain, people will come up with ideas, because that's what the board is for. As long as it's constructive I really don't care.

So where did the OP said Stop complaining. I think the game is good? You Cypher, are by far in my opinion the most annoying person here. I can't read any thread here without you and your joke of arguments. Seriously get over it. I understand that people who have issues with the games like to complain, got not problem with it. But not when you do this over 400 times ...