I do agree that some of the examples werent good ones, but that was mainly due to a "heat of the moment".
But I litterally don't understand this hate the americans get.
But that's the thing, I'm not giving hate... I'm not trying to trash the US or any of their accomplishments during WWII..... all I have been saying is that I'm looking for some variety in the FPS genre and have just been exposed a lot to the US weapons / battles, etc. and just want to play/try something else.
That's all.
They were in WW2, they had a massive role in shaping the war and the outcome of the entire world afterwards. So why do you think that they shouldn't be represented for a recreation of an event that they participated in? becuase of your lack of interest in them? or the supposed over-saturation of Americans in games? Well they are here to stay, sorry if you don't like it Prax, but they are here to stay.
I imagine they are here to stay.... but I'm looking for some more variety. That's why I liked Red Orchestra and Mare Nostrum.
Same World War II, just different perspectives, different battles, different countries, different weapons/equipment.
That's all.
It just seems like you're taking way more out of this than what I'm actually saying.
Plus, why judge a game based soley on the single faction in the game. The way the guns handle in RO1 and RO2 are completely different and they are the same guns, so who says that the guns in RS are going to handle the same as in Darkest Hour, or Medal of Honor? You can't really say without having playing the game yourself. I for one will give the game a shot becuase it seems to be doing what made RO:CA and RO1 great. Lots of big open maps with lots of rifle combat but at the same time, balancing it with close quarters SMG combat. Seems like a win win, but I reserve final judgement till after i've played the product.
Well like I said, I'm interested in the Japanese load out and their tactics, so I haven't completely written off this game just because it has the US as the other team..... it does seem to have some interesting ideas, but I am not 100% sold on those spawn bunkers.
Sound more like Spawn Camp Zones to me, where the moment you spawn in one, you have several US troops waiting outside to chew you up..... then you're right back into spawn.
Being involved in the war longer does not mean that they had a more significant part in the war. Italy's only real part of the war was when they opened the Africa campaign. Which they lost badly and then had to ask the germans for help. The US on the other hand, had been selling tonnes of supplies/tanks/ammo and food to the russians since 1941, so theres involvment there even before war was declared on the US and Saying that the Americans entered the war 5 years after everyone else isn't true.
Many US businesses were supplying all sorts of nations during WWII, on both sides, including Germany..... so that pretty well cancels out that.
Many US businesses supplied fuel, vehicles, and a lot more, thus prolonging the war, while at the same time, supplying Allied nations as well..... basically playing both sides to earn maximum profit from a devastating war.
.... But there's really no need to delve deeper into this as it's going way off target & topic.
The point being is that the US played a big role in WWII, but they weren't the only nation that played a bit part. I just think it'd be nice to see some more exposure for some of those other nations and some of those other battles.
Italy entered the war on the 10th of June 1940, not five years before the US, like you said. Funny, considering that you told me to brush up on my history.
Once again you mis-read.... I said pretty much 5 years after everybody else joined into the war, ie: every other Allied Nation for the most part. Though I will correct myself as it wasn't 5 years.
I was using Italy as an example of another nation that played a part in WWII. The were technically an Axis Power since 1939... so ok, they enter the war a year earlier than the US..... in that argument, wouldn't you think they should have just as much exposure in FPS's as the US, if not more?
What about other allied nations?
I will also say, That I am Australian, I have no issues with any nation being represented in a game whatsoever. And I would absolutley love to see the New Guinea level in RS have some ANZAC troops represented in their as well!
Well I'm a Canadian living in Australia
and I've haven't even started to bring up many of the Canadian Battles that occurred in WWII..... but even just between Canada and Australia during WWII, there'd be enough content for three games between the two nations before things got redundant..... that's not even mentioning China vs. Japan, England/Scottish/Irish Forces, the French, African Nations..... the list goes on.
I have zero issue with any country being represented in a game.... game devs and modders can do whatever they please.
But whether or not I'd have any interest in any of it, let alone wish to pay money for it, is something entirely different.
Again, me being sick of playing FPS with the same weapons, same battles, etc. is not an attempt to attack the US or Americans in any way.
It's like having a large table with dozens of firearms I could pick up and use at the rifle range, but I can only use one pistol for the next decade for target practice, while all those others are sitting there & I can't touch.
That's what I meant about a challenge.... after you get accustomed to a specific weapon for so long, there's no real challenge as you know it inside and out.
the WWII weapons I actually handled and operated in the past were the Bren Gun, Sten MKII and Lee Enfield. I held a K98 but never fired it.
Now I'm aware a video game is not the same thing as real life, obviously..... but with the level of exposure i have had towards US weapons in FPS's, even though I never handled or used those weapons in real life, I feel like I know more about those weapons than the weapons I physically had in my hands and actually used.
I don't know how else I can explain it..... I'm not a gun nut, but I do have an interest in firearms and I like seeing different weapons, how they were made, what their capabilities are, how they sound, what's their drawbacks, etc.
For me, it plays a part on whether or not I will enjoy a new game. I see a new game and think
"Oh that looks cool, I like those effects, I love the battles being portrayed, I like the environments and the game play mechanics..... oh wait, what's this? You just handed me a Thompson SMG?" *sigh*
"Well..... ok.... I guess I can use this weapon, yet again."
Why do people think that just because you are bored with playing the Americans again and again and again we hate them?
I would rather play as another nation for a change.Which is why I loved MN,the insults were better,the tanks were more fun,the setting is not one which has been done to death time after time.The same with CC.The most fun i had in that game was playing the map with all the Renault 35 tanks,What a blast that was.But unfortunately due to most yanks not having the slightest interest in any other nation both these mods died shortly after being released.I used to log on to RO and see what maps and mods were being played and everything but DH was dead.
Exactly.... It's nothing to do with liking or hating the US.... It's just a desire to have a wider expansion of content and coverage of what all happened during WWII, without being continually confined to the same 2-4 nations over and over again.
I swear, later down the road when/if RO3 comes out, another major mod for the game comes out and it's primarily focussed on US battles, US weapons, US Vehicles, US History..... I'll probably puke in my mouth a little.
I don't even care if it doesn't cover the British, Canadians or Aussies..... just any other country vs any other country is all I ask.... Frig put Brazil up against Italy or Norway vs. Germany, or China vs. Japan.... I don't care if it's Disney World vs. Donkey Kong.... just something other than US vs. Germany or US vs. Japan.
