Rifle resting, a question.

[VariousNames]

That is a supported position, and that is likely the sole purpose why he's sitting like that. Notice as well that his elbow is not resting directly on his knee but slightly behind it so you do not obtain a hard on hard surface contact.

When 2 hard surfaces contact each other vibrations can easily be transmitted from one object to the other, if you have a soft surface inbetween those vibrations dampen out pretty much allowing for a more steady shot.

But the whole point of having two contact surfaces is to eliminate the influence of muscle fatigue and sway due to lack of stability in the hands.

Just propping your elbow on the ground isn't going to eliminate that, and it isn't going to reduce sway as considerably as if you were resting it on an object.

Vibrations would occur between shots, and would only affect the time required to stabilize the object. You can prop a rifle or any object for that matter in a stable position on a rigid object. For instance, if I set a crate on top of a crate, the crate will not wobble and less so if I touch it than if it were on a bean bag chair.

 

[Zetsumei]

But the whole point of having two contact surfaces is to eliminate the influence of muscle fatigue and sway due to lack of stability in the hands.

Yes and you want there to be some damping between that connection as well. In order that for instance vibrations on the ground or your leg wont transmit to your arm holding the rifle.

Propping your elbow on the ground is not the same as a stable firing platform, but the discussion was on resting your weapon. Your weapon is rested in the scenario that you put your arm on the ground as you effectively remove the influence of gravity on your fatigue.

We're not talking about vibrations coming from your gun towards the ground nobody cares for that. Its about vibrations coming from the environment that influence your ability to aim.

 

[VariousNames]

Propping your elbow on the ground is not the same as a stable firing platform, but the discussion was on resting your weapon. Your weapon is rested in the scenario that you put your arm on the ground as you effectively remove the influence of gravity on your fatigue.

We're not talking about vibrations coming from your gun towards the ground nobody cares for that. Its about vibrations coming from the environment that influence your ability to aim.

That is an interesting idea,

however,
the point still stands regarding hand instability,
additionally, gravity would still influence muscle fatigue in spite of your elbow in contact with the ground in the same way that gravity is still active on the bell in a bell tower.

Certainly,
stabilizing the muzzle end of a rifle on an object would reduce sway more significantly. E.g. supporting the rifle itself would have a more substantive effect on its sway than merely supporting the elbow on the ground, other things held constant.

 

[Actin]

I might be wrong here, if so I apologize.

But this kind of sounds like a one-way discussion.

'Prone should be less effective in resting your weapon than laying your gun onto some sandbags'. I totally agree, although I may paraphrase it not exactly right.

However it is in the game like this and I don't see much arguments coming from the 'disagree' section. So I am lost to the purpose of continuing this.

 

[Wesreidau]

Guys. Sit down, stretch your legs out in front of you, lay back, put the rifle in your armpit and the barrel over your foot. Rested prone position.

What I'm more interested in learning is if I can still rest my rifle without snapping to cover, that is, just rest the veeeeery end of my rifle on a window sill so as not to expose myself like I imagine snapping to cover would.

 

[Mormegil]

Guys. Sit down, stretch your legs out in front of you, lay back, put the rifle in your armpit and the barrel over your foot. Rested prone position.

Technically, that's supine, not prone. Supine is on your back, and prone is on your stomach.

What I'm more interested in learning is if I can still rest my rifle without snapping to cover, that is, just rest the veeeeery end of my rifle on a window sill so as not to expose myself like I imagine snapping to cover would.

I've assumed you can rest the rifle without snapping to cover, since that's in ROOST, but it's possible TWI may have not included this feature, considering it superfluous with the cover system.

 

[Colt .45 killer]

bit of an extension of this, will we be able to use the sling?

I never really payed much attention to sling shooting till I watched some ww2 training videos for the M1 garand and decided to try the sling postions. I can now stand and with my arm through the sling get noticeably less sway than without, the rifle also returns from recoil quicker.

When laying prone and using the sling, with both elbows on the ground the rifle is VERY steady, and I am talking about mosins, enfields and mausers here, not some lightweight plastic m4.

 

[Actin]

Guys. Sit down, stretch your legs out in front of you, lay back, put the rifle in your armpit and the barrel over your foot. Rested prone position.

What I'm more interested in learning is if I can still rest my rifle without snapping to cover, that is, just rest the veeeeery end of my rifle on a window sill so as not to expose myself like I imagine snapping to cover would.

Try that with a small pa-pa-sha

 

[Wesreidau]

Try that with a small pa-pa-sha

Spread your legs, shoot off your crotch.

 

[Actin]

Spread your legs, shoot off your crotch.

what if 'it' gets stuck in one of those cooling holes of the heatguard (or what is it called around the barrel).

AU

 

[Grobut]

Spread your legs, shoot off your crotch.

I'd rather huff some Helium, same effect gained, but not as painful

what if 'it' gets stuck in one of those cooling holes of the heatguard (or what is it called around the barrel).

AU

Pretty sure "Barrel shroud" is the correct name for it, but "Heat shield" would probably also be accepted.

 

[Actin]

Pretty sure "Barrel shroud" is the correct name for it, but "Heat shield" would probably also be accepted.

thanks

 

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

implement a hasty or loop sling and youll do away with the sway
so many people here never shot a round from a non animated rifle