Return of the field-grey uniform

The_Emperor · Mar 31, 2010

Hi lads,

since the days Ostfront succeeded the RO Mod I wished back the field-grey uniforms as Ostfront's green uniforms always remind me of the German police uniforms of that time. Also my uniform books (quality stuff from Osprey Publishing) that green colors were used with officers. So I would appreciate it very much to see the grey ones back in action from the RO Mod: [url]http://www.fpsteam.it/img2004/ut2004_red_orchestra/red_orchestra02.jpg[/URL]

But yet I know those are not as detailed as they should be in a UE 3 game, so I may suggest the German uniforms from MoH Airborne.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu256/The_Emperor/Detaileduniforms.jpg

Also note the steel helmet which looks very nice too.

So now please vote and comment if either the green ones (Ostfront color) should be kept or the grey ones (RO Mod/MoH Airborne) should be in?

LemoN · Mar 31, 2010

Feldgrau = Grey with shades ranging from blue to green or brown.
Perfectly grey Feldgrau uniforms are not realistic at all.

Oldih · Mar 31, 2010

All of those are original uniforms. Apparently the mighty German army issued their soldiers with green **** rather than grey, and occasionally something that looked more brownish than green

SturmSS · Mar 31, 2010

There is a "green" and there is a "grey"
The unforms used during the East German period and the WWI/Kaiser period were classified as "green" uniforms. The ones in WWII as said by previous users were a "feldgrau" which was diverse but not the typical grey colours depicted in the first two screenshots in the original post

The_Emperor · Mar 31, 2010

Devil_Inside · Mar 31, 2010

The_Emperor said:
Here you go for 12 examples of a field-grey uniform which is not too green at all:....

Actually 90% of photos you provided are old black/white photos which where manually colored.

Oldih · Mar 31, 2010

And another issue with this grey-green (noting the manual colouring) is same with US uniforms and the typical claim they are khaki, even though they are olive drab (#3 to be precise) which is a shade of green. They just tend to look like khaki once they are notably worn (note the term notably) and is exposed to correct lightning conditions. Even the most happiest khakis tend to not look like one in sunlight or vice versa which does upset some people.

Then taking into account that dyeing isn't perfect science, you can have 2-3 variations from the same single roll in terms of shading. The basic that feldgrau is mostly greenish applies to every uniform, but occasionally you might find a batch that is more brownish than green or mildly blue-brownish instead of too greenish.

And about the WSS uniform thing, too bad six in the first one and the last one are regular uniforms and only one - repeat, one - is 'true' WSS uniform. The other one is regular uniform with WSS insignia, and another sad fact is that WSS soldiers wore regular uniforms aswell, despite the fact it violated their authencity standards with lack of wider collars among few other things. If you don't believe me, just look those six uniforms in the first picture. No WSS insignia and the scarecrow is in wrong place to be WSS issue. Just go and google "original german uniforms ww2" in image search and see how many greenish regular uniforms you find. Luftwaffe, General Staff custom made stuff etc doesn't count.

The_Emperor · Mar 31, 2010

to share some results here:

http://www.reww2.com/images/UNM36new1.JPG [url]http://www.reww2.com/images/UNM36new1.JPG[/URL]

http://www.epicmilitaria.co.uk/shopimages/sections/thumbnails/m36_tunic.jpg [url]http://www.epicmilitaria.co.uk/shopimages/sections/thumbnails/m36_tunic.jpg[/URL]

http://www.snyderstreasures.com/eBay/Images/2009/07112009/SSTunic1.JPG [url]http://www.snyderstreasures.com/eBay/Images/2009/07112009/SSTunic1.JPG[/URL]

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-368...-wear-historical-german-uniforms-as-they.html [url]http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-36856954/stock-photo--kiev-ukraine-sept-members-of-a-history-club-wear-historical-german-uniforms-as-they.html[/URL]

But to get things right, I do know that field-grey is not 100% grey but it's neither 100% green that's what I'm argueing about. Let the uniforms of HoS look more like the WSS you (Oldih) shared with us here or the four ones I picked from google with the suggested key words and I'm happy.

Zetsumei · Mar 31, 2010

I would like some variation in the colours of the uniform (through shaders or whatever to save memory). If they varied in real life it would be nice to see them vary in game especially as soldiers probably got mixed up later on.

[TW]schneidzekk · Mar 31, 2010

Not again.

The_Emperor · Mar 31, 2010

[TW]schneidzekk said:
Not again.

This sounds like you don't like us to request uniform variety (which was at a nice beginning in the RO mod). So HoS shall feel like Attack of the Clones? Why that? And secondary I still don't get why HoS needs to have the greenies again, several pictures shared here show a different image: not 100% grey but at least not like a traffic sign.

Yoshiro · Mar 31, 2010

The_Emperor said:
This sounds like you don't like us to request uniform variety (which was at a nice beginning in the RO mod). So HoS shall feel like Attack of the Clones? Why that? And secondary I still don't get why HoS needs to have the greenies again, several pictures shared here show a different image: not 100% grey but at least not like a traffic sign.

He's referring to the argument (it has happened here before), and the fact that your position is wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the color of the uniforms available in Ost or Heroes. Side note, we've been discussing this in irc, and it turns out the German police uniforms at the time were field-grey...

And all this before we get into color variation due to differences in graphics cards/drivers/settings/monitors. Variety is a whole different argument which is not how you phrased this thread.

VariousNames · Mar 31, 2010

I want a pickelhaub. And I don't want a stupid reflective steel one, I want a black-painted one, preferably with a gold spike, like this.

The_Emperor · Mar 31, 2010

I'm not here to argue, I know too well that all you can easily eliminate me here in these forums. Still as a possible buyer of your upcoming game I believe to have the right to discuss and therefore to ask you some things:

Why is it that my grandfathers' and granduncles' uniforms were merely grey than that much green as portrayed here?

Were the ones of the mod too bad to be used on higher engines? Why is most of the world displaying them rather grey with a slight touch of green and not the other way round?
And why is it that it seems Ostfront and Heroes are an exception to the rest of the world in displaying the uniforms of the German Army?

Can you please help my slightly confused mind? I don't get your reasons.

Oldih · Mar 31, 2010

The_Emperor said:
Why is it that my grandfathers' and granduncles' uniforms were merely grey than that much green as portrayed here?

Heavily worn uniforms can appear rather diffrent than lightly worn, unissued or so. Refer this as good example http://www.atthefront.com/us/uniforms/images/whatiskhaki/khakirant_canteen_covers.jpg

Again, the variations even in produced uniforms themselves can be bit diffrent. It is possible that your grandfather got issued with more greyish uniform and since it's worn more or less and old the colour becomes more visible.

And second, I could go and ask are you sure it is real WW2 tunic and not DDR NVA parade tunic\dress tunic? For inexperienced person (in terms of identifying collectables) they look basically identical, only real exception comes in colours and few details. Those DDR NVA parade stuff is often sold as 'originals' and surprisingly some people get fooled rather easily by those. It's actually same with some DDR NVA overcoats, they look similiar by the basics.

The_Emperor · Mar 31, 2010

To answer your question if it's possibly a GDR NVA uniform. I can ensure to you that all of their uniforms were from the Wehrmacht as they served basically from '39 until '45, as they all are from Western Germany and after they were released from the POW Camps they stayed the rest of their lives in West Germany, I strongly doubt they had any NVA uniforms.

edit: And yes I can remember the Wehrmacht breast eagle on the uniforms.

Reise · Mar 31, 2010

We've had huuuuuuuuuuge threads about this stuff before.

Dead horse status: beaten to a microscopic pulp.

Bobdog · Mar 31, 2010

Reise said:
We've had huuuuuuuuuuge threads about this stuff before.

Dead horse status: beaten to a microscopic pulp.

Ah, but there are still detectable amounts present!

LemoN · Mar 31, 2010

-[SiN]-bswearer · Mar 31, 2010

there, problem solved. just do only winter maps and give all the germans snow suits. i can't imagine people would debate the color of the field jackets when they are covered by white......unless they want to debate whether it's "snow" white, or flash white, ghost white, splash white, maybe even eggshell or ivory??

you'd think people would just trust TW's historical research

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