Resistance and Liberation Alpha - Patch OUT!
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In case you didn't know it: You can switch directly to the second stage! Default should be mousewheel down.I can live with the movement (in fact I like it) Its just the 2 stage IS which sux *** right now
So if you don't like the two stages, simply don't use both of them. And certainly don't scroll over the first stage if what you need is the second!
Just tried it for the first time, looks promising, only thing annoying was everybody choosing americans, so fighting 7-20 and no respons when asking for teams.
Weee, they sped up the bolting. Holding down the mouse button doesn`t seem bad either, prolly gonna love it.
This mod is a keeper for me if they don`t touch the movement and other stuff that makes it immersive/ stand out from others.
This mod is a keeper for me if they don`t touch the movement and other stuff that makes it immersive/ stand out from others.
Justin Poole said:
That was posted on the RnL forums from one of the devs.
For me that is bad news! They are going to make this mod more "accessible" which sounds like more aradish!
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Developers always struggle with words like authentic, realistic, playable.
The 3 words I mentioned above are namely purely subjective.
What feels authentic for player 1 doesn't feel authentic for player 2 etc.
The whole "automatic bolting" idea is a perfect example of this.
They felt like fixing the k98 and what did they "fix": they made it autobolt unless you hold a key. In other words, they translated the current k98 accuracy problems into autobolting. For me autobolting makes the k98 even more vulnrable, but that must be because my playing style is different then theirs.
Either way, each design decision is subjective.
Their supposively "less realistic" course has been obvious for me for some time now. Let's see where the mod is heading for the next 6 months.
Monk.
The 3 words I mentioned above are namely purely subjective.
What feels authentic for player 1 doesn't feel authentic for player 2 etc.
The whole "automatic bolting" idea is a perfect example of this.
They felt like fixing the k98 and what did they "fix": they made it autobolt unless you hold a key. In other words, they translated the current k98 accuracy problems into autobolting. For me autobolting makes the k98 even more vulnrable, but that must be because my playing style is different then theirs.
Either way, each design decision is subjective.
Their supposively "less realistic" course has been obvious for me for some time now. Let's see where the mod is heading for the next 6 months.
Monk.
I WAS thinking about downloading this mod. Adding auto bolting and auto-reloading is going to reduce any kind of realism this mod has to almost nothing; it might as well be DOD:S with iron sights. Way to screw your own game, RnL devs.
As to his argument that it "isn't accessible", it's a load of bull. The game advertises itself as realistic, but people download it play because there's no auto-reload? If people new to the mod are complaining about it, it would have been better for the dev team to tell them to either uninstall RnL or stop sucking and learn to click the damn mouse button after firing.
I was skeptical of RnL before. Now I have absolutely no intention of downloading it EVER. If the devs are going to pull this crap, what else are they going to try and do?
As to his argument that it "isn't accessible", it's a load of bull. The game advertises itself as realistic, but people download it play because there's no auto-reload? If people new to the mod are complaining about it, it would have been better for the dev team to tell them to either uninstall RnL or stop sucking and learn to click the damn mouse button after firing.
I was skeptical of RnL before. Now I have absolutely no intention of downloading it EVER. If the devs are going to pull this crap, what else are they going to try and do?
Fascinating thing is that NOONE was complaining about the manual bolting because most ppl who tried the aplpha are also playing RO so they where uesed to it.
No this decision was made by members of the dev team no one in the community asked for that!
I personally hate it that i have to hold the lmb preventing an autobold in other games and i dont gonna like it in RnL.
Right now RnL is on it
That breathing button bs is always brought up by people who want their games arcadey and everything realistic that is slightly out of the norm set by Doom in 1993 comes close to having a button to breath..
Now, I don't want to accuse that quoted guy of anything, but he should have kept that nonsense to himself..
The "WTF I have to bolt" moment happens once. Once! Because what you want to do is to fire and when pressing the fire button, guess what, it bolts. If you forget to bolt later on (happens to me even in RO although I'm used to it now) that's part of the feature, fcs!
You'll know as soon as you press fire and you don't fire but bolt. No further simplifications are necessary!
For a game without a hud and the goal to be realistic it might have been worth it to bind the bolting to a seperate button even (so you can empty your rifle with it without having to fire the shots). This autobolting, while it's not a big deal and I don't care much about it is a step in the wrong direction - albeit an admittedly small one.
Besides: If players are too stupid to press the fire button twice, how well do they cope without a hud? Not having a hud "goes against every FPS design since, well, ever". You throw them into a word without a radar, without a health-bar, without an ammo counter and without death-messages and you people are worried about making them press the damn fire button twice?
Granted, I never read your forums so I know nothing about your clientel, but this seems borderline absurd to me...
Autoreloading: Why not? As long as you still have the option to reload whenever you want and as long as you can't accidentally reload by holding the fire button for too long on an automatic rifle that's absolutely fine. I don't see the problem. Whether I press the fire button again with the concious intention to reload or whether I have to press "reload" doesn't matter at all. The three newbie players who exist somewhere who would have the advantage of not having to remember the "reload" button shall take that advantage as long as the "reload" button stays in the game and all other players can enjoy mid-mag reloading..
This so-called hard decision is a flat-out no-brainer for me. Maybe I should start designing games?
Here's an idea to balance out the kar against the Garand a bit:
Make the bolting faster! The bolting itself isn't even the problem, but after you fired you can't just immediately bolt like i.e. in RO but you have to wait until the animation is done completely, then the gun has to be brought into position again and only then can you bolt with another bit of animation of bringing the gun into position for bolting... If this was streamlined so you can only bolt sooner and not even faster and if you could fire again sooner after you have bolted, I guess you could fire about 1.5 times as fast. Speeding up the bolting could be considered too as it isn't excessively slow but slow nonetheless. I guess you could double the fireing speed of the kar without taking away any precious realism.
A little more recoil for the Garand could work too. RO's semis seem a little excessive but a bit of recoil makes it so you have to re-align your shots all the time so the effective rate of fire is lowered too.
Now, I don't want to accuse that quoted guy of anything, but he should have kept that nonsense to himself..
The "WTF I have to bolt" moment happens once. Once! Because what you want to do is to fire and when pressing the fire button, guess what, it bolts. If you forget to bolt later on (happens to me even in RO although I'm used to it now) that's part of the feature, fcs!
You'll know as soon as you press fire and you don't fire but bolt. No further simplifications are necessary!
For a game without a hud and the goal to be realistic it might have been worth it to bind the bolting to a seperate button even (so you can empty your rifle with it without having to fire the shots). This autobolting, while it's not a big deal and I don't care much about it is a step in the wrong direction - albeit an admittedly small one.
Besides: If players are too stupid to press the fire button twice, how well do they cope without a hud? Not having a hud "goes against every FPS design since, well, ever". You throw them into a word without a radar, without a health-bar, without an ammo counter and without death-messages and you people are worried about making them press the damn fire button twice?
Granted, I never read your forums so I know nothing about your clientel, but this seems borderline absurd to me...
Autoreloading: Why not? As long as you still have the option to reload whenever you want and as long as you can't accidentally reload by holding the fire button for too long on an automatic rifle that's absolutely fine. I don't see the problem. Whether I press the fire button again with the concious intention to reload or whether I have to press "reload" doesn't matter at all. The three newbie players who exist somewhere who would have the advantage of not having to remember the "reload" button shall take that advantage as long as the "reload" button stays in the game and all other players can enjoy mid-mag reloading..
This so-called hard decision is a flat-out no-brainer for me. Maybe I should start designing games?
Here's an idea to balance out the kar against the Garand a bit:
Make the bolting faster! The bolting itself isn't even the problem, but after you fired you can't just immediately bolt like i.e. in RO but you have to wait until the animation is done completely, then the gun has to be brought into position again and only then can you bolt with another bit of animation of bringing the gun into position for bolting... If this was streamlined so you can only bolt sooner and not even faster and if you could fire again sooner after you have bolted, I guess you could fire about 1.5 times as fast. Speeding up the bolting could be considered too as it isn't excessively slow but slow nonetheless. I guess you could double the fireing speed of the kar without taking away any precious realism.
A little more recoil for the Garand could work too. RO's semis seem a little excessive but a bit of recoil makes it so you have to re-align your shots all the time so the effective rate of fire is lowered too.
Well, let's not dramatize things now shall we.
They have pointed out they are testing several ideas which can be reverted back if necessary.
I agree their reasoning seems a bit flawed, but I'll wait with judging until after the next patch (2 weeks from now they say).
Monk.
They have pointed out they are testing several ideas which can be reverted back if necessary.
I agree their reasoning seems a bit flawed, but I'll wait with judging until after the next patch (2 weeks from now they say).
Monk.
Have you been reading the same RnL boards I have??
It actually seems like people are just sighing up to moan and ***** and not say thank you or at least be polite about there miss givings of the mod.Some of you are really sad people. You write books about how bad and arcade the game will become(YOU NEVER ACTUALLY PLAYED THE NEW PATCH) because manual bolting was removed Seriously, just give it a try once it's released. They said if it wouldn't work they'd find another way.
Seriously, just give it a try once it's released. They said if it wouldn't work they'd find another way.
Some of you are really sad people. You write books about how bad and arcade the game will become(YOU NEVER ACTUALLY PLAYED THE NEW PATCH) because manual bolting was removed
At last someone with a bit of common sense!
Common sense is overrated nowdays. Good example is that this discussion somewhat reminds me of "Internet hates Diablo 3" article.
god!! what a bunch of whiney, pissy little *****es....play it or dont play it...the main problem with it is so many little asshats tking that it is hard to enjoy what the devs are working on......