Regarding the ''like'' and ''dislike'' button

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Cyper

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I think this button is good. Not because I personally change my opinions because of it, or because I care about reputation in that way, but because it's a good way to paint trolls red with dislikes or people that simply write to much crap.

Unfortunately, it got one fatal flaw: some people get bad reputation despite the fact that they doesnt deserve it. I am particulary talking about people that are new and have few posts. For instance, I have seen people with just a few post starting a thread, or a reply, with simply a normal, serious and constructive QUESTION and then this person gets thumbs down for simply asking something. Of course, some questions may be stupid, but I think it's important for everyone to realize that not everyone are into games like RO and it's not neccessary wrong to have other opinions about it about RO unless it's taken to the extreme and/or the extent of trolling, and it's not wrong in ANY SENSE to ask QUESTIONS about the game. People that are new to RO simply don't have the same understanding as the people who have played it so much that their clock have stopped working..to many people seems to judge others because they don't have the same knowledge as other people here.

What really is even more weird, is that if a person gets 2-3 thumbs down, I bet many people doesn't even bother to read the post before giving this new member thumbs down even more. Even more weird is that in some threads the amount of dislikes for a post can be quite high while the replies to the post is few. Away to many peole probably don't even bother to read a post with 2-3 disliked. Instead, they give another dislike and leave the thread. If that's the case, a lot of new people will be turned off by this board, and avoid to ask questions and instead keep on walking with less knowledge simply because it's bad to ask and have opinions.

Soo, maybe people that doesn't even make a reply to a post shouldn't be able to give neither a negative or positive response to it either.. because I think away to many people have loads opinions but when it comes to actually presenting a real argument to make their opinions make logical sense, - well, then some people get stuck. Anyone can have an opinion but having a argument is a lot harder.

I am not saying that this 'feature' is something that should be used on the board. I simply wrote all this because that's what I've been thinking about it, and maybe others may share the same view. There is no real need to reply to this post either. Not saying that people shouldn't, but in some cases, like this, I just want people to read it and at least think about i and maybe it can make some people think and ask themself the question:

What is my argument to my opinion? Because sometimes away to many newcomers (and others aswell) get bashed because of a few elitists who believe that their opinion is considered as an argument even if they don't have one.
 

aesdana

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I remember a guy who was obviously very excited and made a KF thread about something he made. As a thanks he got voted down and a little red bar to his name.

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Murphy

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I wouldn't mind if there was a short list of people who liked or disliked a post below each post. Kind of like the Thanked list in certain types of forums except with two brackets.

I often +like something, but then I feel the need to post "nice, +1" or "lol, +1" or something to that effect because a simple +like neither has the same impact nor is it connected with me personally.

And if I dislike something, either because I actually dislike something or because I'm trolling I don't care who sees it!

I bet taking out the anonymity would cut down on the number of likes/dislikes people give though. Not sure. If yes, that would also raise the value of a like/dislike. Something I wouldn't mind either.
And with "value" I don't mean how much it's worth for the advancement of the bar but how much it means socially, in the context of a conversation.

because it's a good way to paint trolls red with dislikes or people that simply write to much crap.
I disagree. The system shouldn't be used to paint trolls or anyone else for that matter red or green. It should be used to show your approval or disapproval with a post. Not a person.
Personally, I would even go so far as to say the +dislike butting shouldn't even be used for mere disagreement but if you disapprove of the way someone posted. Be it a troll-post, flamebait, insults, gibberish,... or if it's really disagreeable. If someone suggests a damage buff of 25% more than you think is in order I don't think the +dislike button should come into play.

If someone has enough posts that contribute he'll have enough +likes for a green bar, if he's a troll, he's going to be red. No reason to put people into categories based on a post or two and +like/+dislike them until their bar shows your opinion of them...

As it is now, regrettably, imo, the system is used against people. Drakon2k's posts, for example, pretty much get one or two +dislikes by default no matter what he posts.
I play along, of course, because frankly, I find bullying people anonymously as funny as the next guy :p, but in principle I'm opposed to the practice.
 

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Don't mess with my dislike button. Never felt so powerful before, except for my promotion to Assistant Regional Manager


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I see this really worked for you.

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Cyper

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I wouldn't mind if there was a short list of people who liked or disliked a post below each post. Kind of like the Thanked list in certain types of forums except with two brackets.

I often +like something, but then I feel the need to post "nice, +1" or "lol, +1" or something to that effect because a simple +like neither has the same impact nor is it connected with me personally.

And if I dislike something, either because I actually dislike something or because I'm trolling I don't care who sees it!

I bet taking out the anonymity would cut down on the number of likes/dislikes people give though. Not sure. If yes, that would also raise the value of a like/dislike. Something I wouldn't mind either.
And with "value" I don't mean how much it's worth for the advancement of the bar but how much it means socially, in the context of a conversation.


I disagree. The system shouldn't be used to paint trolls or anyone else for that matter red or green. It should be used to show your approval or disapproval with a post. Not a person.
Personally, I would even go so far as to say the +dislike butting shouldn't even be used for mere disagreement but if you disapprove of the way someone posted. Be it a troll-post, flamebait, insults, gibberish,... or if it's really disagreeable. If someone suggests a damage buff of 25% more than you think is in order I don't think the +dislike button should come into play.

If someone has enough posts that contribute he'll have enough +likes for a green bar, if he's a troll, he's going to be red. No reason to put people into categories based on a post or two and +like/+dislike them until their bar shows your opinion of them...

As it is now, regrettably, imo, the system is used against people. Drakon2k's posts, for example, pretty much get one or two +dislikes by default no matter what he posts.
I play along, of course, because frankly, I find bullying people anonymously as funny as the next guy :p, but in principle I'm opposed to the practice.

I agree. It's the same thing when you vote. The names should always show up.. the more anonymous people can be the more stupid they become.

When it comes to 'like' and 'dislike' in a post doesn't that paint someone in short terms aswell as red and green does in long term?

I am not saying that all ''red people'' are trolls. It may even be the opposite. These people may be honest with all their opinions and they may even back it up with arguments. But what they write may be incredibly controversial and make people react in a negative way. But that doesn't mean that they're wrong though.

Really, I agree that maybe it should be possible to see who like and who dislike - OR - maybe it's better to remove the ability to even see the likes and dislikes for a post... in that way people wont that biased. Because I bet that if someone see a post with 20 likes and 0 dislikes they may aswell like the post without even reading it, and the other way around.


I see this really worked for you.

Maybe you should give yourself exactly three infractions for posting bad jokes in MY thread or as a alternative let other people behave the same way. Your joke wasn't really that amusing. By my standard the worst jokes are the ones that are trying to make fun of other people. Mostly because they're so damned easy to come up with. You hear them all the time from the 8 yrs old and even up to 18. Terrible, really.

By the way, I've experienced the same thing as Drakon2k: likes/dislikes were removed - or at least not visible - after I edited a post. I may be wrong I may be right. :rolleyes:
 
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Maybe you should give yourself exactly three infractions for posting bad jokes in MY thread or as a alternative let other people behave the same way. Your joke wasn't really that amusing. By my standard the worst jokes are the ones that are trying to make fun of other people. Mostly because they're so damned easy to come up with. You hear them all the time from the 8 yrs old and even up to 18. Terrible, really.

By the way, I've experienced the same thing as Drakon2k: likes/dislikes were removed - or at least not visible - after I edited a post. I may be wrong I may be right. :rolleyes:
Looks like you're wrong.
 

Murphy

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maybe it's better to remove the ability to even see the likes and dislikes for a post... in that way people wont that biased. Because I bet that if someone see a post with 20 likes and 0 dislikes they may aswell like the post without even reading it, and the other way around.
The little "X out of Y members like this post" display offers a simple way to show your appreciation or disapproval of a post though. If it didn't show up the like/dislike buttons would only serve as an even less transparent way to influence someone's red/green bar. What good would that do?
One day you'll wake up and have a red bar and you don't even know what post people hate you for!

As I said, I don't think the like/dislike buttons should be used to stigmatize people one way or the other. You're liking/disliking posts.

If anything shouldn't be displayed anymore it's the stupid bar!
It means nothing anyway. A likable guy who hasn't been here long is going to have a short green bar, a jerk who's been here forever also has a short green bar. A troll has a long red bar, someone who gets trolled has a long red bar. Someone who spends five months making a map for the community gets 4 likes and 1 dislike for his release-post, someone who spreads The Word of the almighty :IS2: gets 12 likes...
It just means nothing.


The thing is, the reasonable among us already realized this so they don't care either way, and the few who're still silly enough to care make excellent troll-targets for the others.
 
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Raneman

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Let me tell you the tale of Cpt. Praxius.

Praxius was a good board member. He had like 10 green bars.

However, one day one guy and his alts decided to neg every post he made. They did this for about a month and now he's in the red.

If I were determined enough, I could target any member I wanted and give them negative karma over time. No consequences, it's anonymous, remember?
 

hockeywarrior

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The rep system is pretty poor in my opinion. I think the forums would be a much better place without it. As you mentioned, people often get trolled who don't deserve it -- it just depends on who is percieved as a troll or not on the forums, which can change as quickly as the wind.

I remember pre-Ro2 release back in July I got majorly trolled on these forums for posting my concerns about the game (most of which proved to be true, as a side note ;)), which is a totally legit thing to do. The result? Going from 3000 green rep to -2500 in a matter of a day. I'm still not quite sure how this is actually possible, but it happened. Then, slowly but surely over the next few months, I find my self mysteriously back in the green. I guess I wasn't a troll after all?

In conclusion, I essentially take from all this that its best just to ignore rep altogether. The system is so flawed, it's not even worth arguing about. It used to concern me, but honestly anymore I couldn't care less. I just write what's on my mind and leave it at that. If people want to brand me as a troll, asshole, or idiot, then that's their business. If it happens it's usually temporary (unless of course I really am a troll).

A simple way to improve the system is to merely take out the "dislike" button. It seems people hit this when they simply disagree with someone, which I think is silly. If someone is flaming or being offensive -- things I can see using a dislike button for -- then they can use the "report user" feature on the forums. Adding a dislike button is just asking for major trolling.
 
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It's a slightly entertaining gimmick and encourages some to purposefully get themselves full of red bars for the hell of being different. (Obviously they are good guys who don't go overboard..)

But I see OP's point.
I started off in the red for a poor sarcastic reply... but it really wasn't deserved.

If I didn't know any better as a newcomer, perhaps I would have been offended...
 

fiftyone

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If I like a post I hit the green button, if I dislike a post I hit the red button.
Am I doing something wrong?
OK, sometimes I hit the red button just for fun (CGibys 50/50 like post for example).
Most posts don't have any effect on me what so ever, unfortunately the developers seem to have completely forgot this third emotion.

I want a "I don't care" button.
What color should be put to a poll.

I vote pink, that should keep all the girls running around these forums happy...
 
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