Realistic Bullets

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Sgt.NightFire

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Mar 26, 2006
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The problem now most is, when leading someone from 100 meters, you have to aim just outside of the sight sometimes, so you can't see the target good enough...
 

Hektor88

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Sep 3, 2011
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But that is a "problem" with the real guns, in reality. Not a gameplay problem. Is that what you mean?
 

JohnKimble

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Sep 2, 2011
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I understand the science, but I have directly argued with tripwire about this. The reason is simple, bullet ballistics are compared serverside. This means you have to lead for bullet travel time + ping. (note that if you shoot a wall really close, you will hear a double sound from the gun firing and then the bullet hitting the wall when it should be near instantaneous. Try this on a 500 ping server, the lag is half a second)

I myself prefer the more common calculation of ballistics clientside, which means you hit a guy, he runs for (ping)milliseconds and then the hit gets calculated. The downside to this is you may think you took cover when on someone elses screen they got you, and you go down "unfairly".

Yeah I'm thinking this is the problem, at 100m in apartment I'm shooting 3m+ ahead and if they slow down or switch direction its an easy dodge. At close range I have shot the leading edge of their body and center but missed. While randomly firing my gun i can see visible delay at 5 feet shooting at a wall.

I live in Canada so my ping is always around 100ms which makes it worse.
 

The DooD

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Sep 3, 2011
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It's making it impossible for me to kill people with bolt actions rifles at close range. Someone sprints across my screen, if it were CSS they'd be dead, but in this I just get a bullet hitting a wall and my position blown.
 

JohnKimble

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Sep 2, 2011
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It's making it impossible for me to kill people with bolt actions rifles at close range. Someone sprints across my screen, if it were CSS they'd be dead, but in this I just get a bullet hitting a wall and my position blown.

That's exactly the problem I'm having possibly horrible hitboxes as well on top of lag aim and bullet travel on server side.
 

tarquin

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 3, 2011
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if your connection is decent then it will at least be consistent.

learn when and where to lead and you're set...

i've missed some easy shots due to this, but i'm starting to figure it out.
 

Josef Nader

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Aug 31, 2011
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I don't understand how all over the forums everyone says they can't hit anything at all but when I play I'm getting killed so easily by some of the greatest shots I've seen from literally everyone on the opposing team.

Because we probably shot at you 5-6 times (at least!) before we actually hit you.

I regularly spend 2-3 clips trying to hit one German on FallenFighters from my little snipers perch...
 

The_Cook

FNG / Fresh Meat
May 10, 2006
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reason for serverside ballistics to help keep asshats from hacking as easy. Also This is RO, if you want laser bullets with no lead go play Halo or COD
 

Josef Nader

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Aug 31, 2011
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reason for serverside ballistics to help keep asshats from hacking as easy. Also This is RO, if you want laser bullets with no lead go play Halo or COD

I love how the end-all argument on these forums is to go play a hitscan ****fest.

We aren't complaining about having to lead a target, we're complaining about inconsistent latency ****ing with our leads. Soldiers in the Eastern Front never had to worry about their ping throwing their shots off. Discussing a possible middle-ground is a perfectly valid solution.
 

Panzer Jager '43

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Dec 15, 2010
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I believe Battlefield Bad Company 2 had it calculated clientside - that way, you could "hit" targets on your screen, but the actual death would be delayed until the server recieved the information to kill your target and then relayed it back to you.

Basically the hit detection and the mediocre ballistics of BC2 were calculated clientside - if a hit was made, that info was sent to the server, which when the character died, the animation/death update was then sent back to the client.

This worked well and there were no "death ray" hacks to my knowledge where hackers just went around issuing "I hit this player" variables to the server.
 

dieterweber

FNG / Fresh Meat
Aug 31, 2011
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I never have problems. You guys must blow at aiming. I can easily hit everyone I see with the first shot.
 

Unorthadox

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 1, 2011
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

In RO1 I would regularly hit moving targets at most ranges, now I have to lead about a foot to hit a guy sprinting from 30 meters away. To make matters worse, I can almost never see where my bullets actually land, which makes it even harder to figure out lead time.


Oh Nader, dieter is obviously a troll. He gets on RO2 having squad spawns, but forgets that WW2 Online, which he says he plays, has magic boxes that pop out players close to the fighting.
 

dieterweber

FNG / Fresh Meat
Aug 31, 2011
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

In RO1 I would regularly hit moving targets at most ranges, now I have to lead about a foot to hit a guy sprinting from 30 meters away. To make matters worse, I can almost never see where my bullets actually land, which makes it even harder to figure out lead time.


Oh Nader, dieter is obviously a troll. He gets on RO2 having squad spawns, but forgets that WW2 Online, which he says he plays, has magic boxes that pop out players close to the fighting.

You can use the Mobile Spawn, but I walk all the way from base. It's the proper thing to do. And yes, Nader would **** his pants over my godly skillz.
 

Josef Nader

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Aug 31, 2011
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Oh, I know. Have you not noticed that most of my replies to him are dripping with condescension and sarcasm? Just enough to egg him on, but not enough to attract the attention of the mods?

Dance, puny dieter, dance for my amusement!
 

NightriderAOF

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Sep 1, 2007
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Sounds a bit silly to have the ballistics on serverside then.
What's the idea behind it? :confused:
It's not exactly "realistic ballistics" if bullet flight time is affected by ping.

If you have ballistics clientside you would die after you get in cover, which is just as silly. I think most people would rather lead more than die after you're safely in cover. It would be Bad Company 2 all over again.
 

The_Cook

FNG / Fresh Meat
May 10, 2006
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same problem with RO1. once you get yourself used to your ping it becomes very easy to lead. Also once they fix the Tab score board to show ping, it makes it even easier. doing 20 50 80 100 ping changes my hold.
 

JohnKimble

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 2, 2011
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Client side or Server side It doesn't matter as programs can compensate for delays. I'd rather be shot while running into cover and knowing they actually hit me even if it is delayed, over seeing my shots blatantly miss and hit thin air.
 

Panzer Jager '43

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Dec 15, 2010
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It's actually not half bad if you get shot and end up dying in cover - it would actually be in a way simulating that you didn't realize you were shot yet.