Prototype Tanks

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Kosher_Nuke

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I'm sure everyone is a little disappointed that the game doesn't feature the IS-2, so I was thinking if there is some prototype guns in the game, maybe we can have prototype tanks as well? Since the IS-2 and Panther were already in the last game, maybe we can up it up a notch by having the IS-3 and Panther II prototypes. It will be limited to only one per team so it doesn't mess up the balance.
 
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Scrappa

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I don't want IS-3 or Panther2...

The IS-3 is a cold war prototype and the panther2 never was made. Only the body was made with a panther1 turret on.

Tripwire put in the MKb42 and the AVT-40 and people moaned about them because its possible they weren't in stalingrad. People will go mad if there is IS-3 or Panther2 in the game.

I'm sure someone will add the mighty IS-2 into the game and the mighty Panther. Mod tools are available from the start :)
 

RiccardoTheBeAst

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Welcome to the forum, and, again, Battle of Stalingrad means 1942 so the tanks that you're asking for cannot be added. Also adding something like IS-3 and Panther II in a 1942 contest would completely ruin the gameplay......

I don't want IS-3 or Panther2...

The IS-3 is a cold war prototype and the panther2 never was made. Only the body was made with a panther1 turret on.

Tripwire put in the MKb42 and the AVT-40 and people moaned about them because its possible they weren't in stalingrad. People will go mad if there is IS-3 or Panther2 in the game.

I'm sure someone will add the mighty IS-2 into the game and the mighty Panther. Mod tools are available from the start :)

No, IS-3 is a WWII prototype, and if the war only ended some months later it would be used in combats...
 

Scrappa

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I meant it's a prototype that was finished in the cold war. I don't mind if people mod the IS-3 and Panther2 in but I wont play on that server because the IS-3 is first of all vastly superior to any tank of the era including the Panther2 even though Panther2 was never made.

If people mod the IS-2 and Panther/Tiger back in that would be great because those tanks actually served in WW2 but the IS-3 only served in the cold war and would completely demolish anything of the WW2 era. The armour was 120mm front I believe at a 45degree slope because the front was shaped like the front of a boat. The turret was somewhere in the region of 200mm and was circular shaped so it increased effectiveness still. I believe it has the same 122mm gun as the IS-2 with a longer barrel but it might be the same barrel.

In the end the IS-3 would still demolish anything that the germans had in 1945. People will say King Tiger has 150mm front armour 45degree but the steel was of a terrible quality, the russians captured one and tested it against an 85MM gun from the T34/85. The gun didn't penetrate but it cracked the armour and would have sent shrapnel into all crewmen who were in the hull. The quality of steel used in the king tiger was terrible. The tiger on the other hand had the best quality steel of the war and that's why its 100mm was so effective even when flat.

If the IS-3 wouldn't ruin the game in terms of balance I wouldn't mind people modding it into their servers, it's their server after all they can do what they want but it would ruin the game in terms of balance. The Germans wouldn't have a chance even with the KT modded in.
 
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Unus Offa Unus Nex

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I meant it's a prototype that was finished in the cold war. I don't mind if people mod the IS-3 and Panther2 in but I wont play on that server because the IS-3 is first of all vastly superior to any tank of the era including the Panther2 even though Panther2 was never made.

If people mod the IS-2 and Panther/Tiger back in that would be great because those tanks actually served in WW2 but the IS-3 only served in the cold war and would completely demolish anything of the WW2 era. The armour was 120mm front I believe at a 45degree slope because the front was shaped like the front of a boat. The turret was somewhere in the region of 200mm and was circular shaped so it increased effectiveness still. I believe it has the same 122mm gun as the IS-2 with a longer barrel but it might be the same barrel.

In the end the IS-3 would still demolish anything that the germans had in 1945. People will say King Tiger has 150mm front armour 45degree but the steel was of a terrible quality, the russians captured one and tested it against an 85MM gun from the T34/85. The gun didn't penetrate but it cracked the armour and would have sent shrapnel into all crewmen who were in the hull. The quality of steel used in the king tiger was terrible. The tiger on the other hand had the best quality steel of the war and that's why its 100mm was so effective even when flat.

I wouldn't put too much trust into those tests, esp. considering that the KT in question was hammered by many different caliber guns in those tests = not the ideal method used to obtain accurate test results

Also you might wanna note that armor cracking on KT's hit in combat wasn't something that was observed by any of the German heavy tank battalions. Infact in the battalions' own reports the exact opposite is noted as being the case, accounts reading that even guns such as the mighty British 17 pdr or American 90mm both were found to be completely ineffective against any part of the Kingtiger's frontal armor, leaving behind only dents. So the armor seems to have been just fine quality wise.

As for the armor on the IS-2 AND IS-3 however, their armor wasn't of what you'd call very good quality, esp. not considering that they mostly used cast armor, and not much of the more durable rolled homogeneous armor used on German tanks.

If the IS-3 wouldn't ruin the game in terms of balance I wouldn't mind people modding it into their servers, it's their server after all they can do what they want but it would ruin the game in terms of balance. The Germans wouldn't have a chance even with the KT modded in.

Nah, it would be the other way around since the KT not only featured a much more powerful gun when it comes to punching through armor, but also thicker and most likely more durable armor.

But adding the IS-3 in any WW2 game simply wouldn't make any sense, and that simply because it never saw action during the war and infact didn't enter service until over a week after the war was officially over.
 
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jalex3

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if there is some prototype guns in the game, maybe we can have prototype tanks as well?

Prototype guns are allot easier to do than a massive prototype tank.

Also I would expect it to be allot harder to model it, because information would be more difficult to come by.

I'd rather just have more vehicles there were actually used.
 

=GG= Mr Moe

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I'm sure everyone is a little disappointed that the game doesn't feature the IS-2...

No, not at all :p

However, welcome to the forums :)

I'm guessing that any official tanks will be limited to those more abundant and available around the timeframe of the game due to the amount of work needed to make each tank.
 

L3gi0naru

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I for 1 am not disapointed that "I.S-2" is not in the game .
And a little offtopic regarding dates about KT and I.s2 and even Panther , most are inaccurate. on several documentarys about WW2 they got and KT armor and shot at it with all the guns the other tanks in war had with little result , and by little i mean small tiny dents , i know some of u "gloryfies" the "red army" but be serious , the problem is not the "rus" tanks beeing superior we know they werent is beeing many while the superior KT and even Panther after Kursk were in short supply.... simply to few for the front demands.
 

NightriderAOF

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They're adding in the Mkb42 and the other rarer weapons because there was a possibility of them being at Stalingrad, or at least in combat during that time-frame. None of those prototype tanks ever saw combat, and it would be very strange to see them at Stalingrad.

And as for adding the IS3 in, no, just, no, you would not put that tank during a battle that happened in 1942. Might as well throw in a T-55 at that point. RO2 isn't World of Tanks.
 
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Scrappa

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I think one of the main problems with the IS-3 is its profile, if you can see the IS-3 it can shoot you. The gun is right near the top of the extremely low profile. It cant shoot down hills though, the gun cant depress because the turret roof is so low to keep a low profile.

I might be wrong but I believe the IS-3 is fast regardless of the "superheavy" designation. The low profile would make me **** bricks whenever an IS-3 was in a tank vs tank match because its like a stealth bomber with that profile, it would be easy to hide the sillouete in bushes ect. Still like people said there is no place for IS-3 in a ww2 game XD
 

Bär

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I think one of the main problems with the IS-3 is its profile, if you can see the IS-3 it can shoot you. The gun is right near the top of the extremely low profile. It cant shoot down hills though, the gun cant depress because the turret roof is so low to keep a low profile.

I might be wrong but I believe the IS-3 is fast regardless of the "superheavy" designation. The low profile would make me **** bricks whenever an IS-3 was in a tank vs tank match because its like a stealth bomber with that profile, it would be easy to hide the sillouete in bushes ect. Still like people said there is no place for IS-3 in a ww2 game XD

yea...it looks like somebody stomped on a turtle.
 

Capt.Cool

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The IS-3 is a cold war prototype and the panther2 never was made. Only the body was made with a panther1 turret on.
Its right that the Panther 2 did not see combat. But the turret was made. Its called "Schmalturm" (narrow turret).

It survived the war somehow and can be seen in the Bovington Tank museum.

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Scrappa

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I've been to bovington many times and The turret was recovered after the war in a factory different from the one making the body. I believe the body was finished quite some time before turret so they just fitted Panther1 turrets for test purposes as it weighs quite similar i suppose.

That turret at bovington was used for ordanance testing before someone pointed out what it was and now its smashed to bits and completely ripped apart. I saw the turret and its sad that it was demolished so badly.

Its sad that they never managed to fit the correct turret and show the tanks ability in combat it would have proven to be a very good tank but i expect it would be plagued by the same mechanical problems as the KingTiger and the Tiger.
 

FBOTheLiuetenant

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I'm fine wit the IS-3 being in-game as long as I get ANY German fantasy tank (E-75 anyone?)

But seriously, I can understand the MKB 42 or other prototype small arms (atleast the ones that were produced, even in very small numbers) because they actually existed/saw combat. Adding tanks like the IS-3 or Panther II isn't what the RO games are about. (Some may say the same thing against the MKB 42, but it won't have near the impact on gameplay an IS-3 would).

I don't want to sound like a dick, but if you really want to play a game with those tanks, just play World of Tanks.
 

Fenix611

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Guys seriously, sorry to pop your bubble but im pretty sure the OP's request to add "prototype tanks" is a satire to TWI's decision to add "prototype" weapons.
 
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