Possible new tactical shooter project

[Forssen]

There is an IAmA on reddit about this project.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/qpj2f/iama_video_game_designer_starting_a_new/

 

[SiC-Disaster]

And already people are talking about perks.
Too many people with too many (stupid) ideas getting influence on such a game is a bad thing.
The problem is that if you donate enough money you get a bigger say in the direction is taking. Unfortunately I dont have an extra 100k lying around to stop that from happening.

Imo it would have been better if the guy had something to show instead of just promise.
Don't get me wrong, I really, really want a proper hardcore tactical shooter more than anything, but the fact that A: he doesn't have anything to show, and B: people who pay enough can be of influence to the design of the game has me worried.

If this had been a kickstarter for Ground Branch I would have been much more comfortable to throw money at it, because their design of the game is pretty much set in stone, they have solid plans.
They already have proven to me at least that they will remain firm in their ideals too, because they could have said that 'well, maybe we can scrap this or readjust this' in order to get a publisher in on the project, which they didnt.
Serellan so far has a lot to prove, as it is all based on promises which he could very easily not follow up on.

 

[Flogger23m]

Suggestions are just that, suggestions. In the end the game will be a tactical shooter and the junk suggestions will be thrown out.

I do agree, having something to show would help. Ground Branch/John don't want to start a Kickstarter yet. Apparently they want a more polished product (perhaps an Alpha?) to show. I think that might be a smart idea as well. Release a free alpha build (perhaps the training map) to show off they have some of the basics down and more people will donate to it. It looks like the devs have been more active working on GB than I have thought. John claims they are not too far off getting the "basics" of the game finished. There are also some screen shots from November, and they look very nice.

Also, if you want to read stupid suggestions for a tactical shooter go to the ArmA forums. BIS could release a Star Wars game and the forum regulars there will be convinced it is the most realistic "military simulator" ever designed.

 

[Flogger23m]

Here is an interview with him, should give some more information on the style of game he is looking to make:



Crowdsourced Hardcore Tactical Shooter FAQ - YouTube

GameTheoryCast 15 Mar 13, 2012 - YouTube

They're up to $50,000 now.

 

[LightsabeR]

So sad to see this isn't getting more backing.

Even tho TB mentioned it in one of his vids recently, I still didn't see much of a spike in funding.

 

[Rak]

To be honest as good as it sounds, I'm not really convinced about it. 200k isn't enough create a game like this and this guy gives no guarantee that the game WILL be made after he reaches 200k goal, then it will be up to his "secret investors". Which mean they will have to chip in around 1 million$ and demand all kinds of things to broaden the audience while ruining the experience(cough, RO2).

He also gives very little information about the gameplay, fails to mention SWAT/ Rainbow Six and it sounds fishy to me.

Other kickstarters have clear goals and they guarantee that the fans will get what they pay for, an old school Fallout style top down RPG or a Grim Fandango style point and click adventure.

 

[Grabbed_by_the_Spetsnaz]

I'll just start by saying their is no way in hell they'll reach $200,000 in 15 days. The only time I've ever seen one of these succeed is the LICD fund raise, and that had already gather an immense fan following, set up studios, hired actors and plotted the pilot.

All other Kickstarters barley get a quarter of what they wanted, if that!

Hopefully I will gather enough money within next week to donate $50 and join the Silver community... Hopefully...

 

[Flogger23m]

To be honest as good as it sounds, I'm not really convinced about it. 200k isn't enough create a game like this and this guy gives no guarantee that the game WILL be made after he reaches 200k goal, then it will be up to his "secret investors". Which mean they will have to chip in around 1 million$ and demand all kinds of things to broaden the audience while ruining the experience(cough, RO2).

He also gives very little information about the gameplay, fails to mention SWAT/ Rainbow Six and it sounds fishy to me.

Other kickstarters have clear goals and they guarantee that the fans will get what they pay for, an old school Fallout style top down RPG or a Grim Fandango style point and click adventure.

You don't loose any money if he doesn't make the $200,000 goal.

Investors are not publishers.

And he mentions Rogue Spear plenty of times, saying a modded version was his favorite Rainbow Six game.

 

[SiC-Disaster]

The timeframe to get the money he asks for is so short, you have to wonder if he didnt see that himself.
It's almost as if he sets himself up for failure, and if he does more publishers can say "See, there's not enough people who want a tactical shooter."
It's such a rush job. It needs more time.

Some thoughts on that video:
- Third person view mode on consoles? Why? I foresee a cover system. The original Ghost Recon (and Raven Shield too) made it to consoles without having a need for a third person view. If publishers or investors get a say in what to add or change in the game this might very easily catch over onto the PC version.
- His ideas for map design are good though, the way I personally would envision it. (entire building to cruise through ala old Rainbow Six, SWAT 4 etc.)

EDIT:
@Flogger, do we even know what kind of mod that was?

 

[Rak]

You don't loose any money if he doesn't make the $200,000 goal.

Obviously, I'm talking about what happens after the goal is reached.

Investors are not publishers.

And he mentions Rogue Spear plenty of times, saying a modded version was his favorite Rainbow Six game.

Still, those "investor firms" he's talking about are worse than publishers. They care nothing but statistical returns. I don't think he will be able to pull off a true "Rainbox Six RS/SWAT 4" style game without independent finance.

 

[Forssen]

- Third person view mode on consoles? Why? I foresee a cover system.

He mentioned in the AMA that there won't be a cover system.

 

[Flogger23m]

The timeframe to get the money he asks for is so short, you have to wonder if he didnt see that himself.
It's almost as if he sets himself up for failure, and if he does more publishers can say "See, there's not enough people who want a tactical shooter."
It's such a rush job. It needs more time.

Some thoughts on that video:
- Third person view mode on consoles? Why? I foresee a cover system. The original Ghost Recon (and Raven Shield too) made it to consoles without having a need for a third person view. If publishers or investors get a say in what to add or change in the game this might very easily catch over onto the PC version.
- His ideas for map design are good though, the way I personally would envision it. (entire building to cruise through ala old Rainbow Six, SWAT 4 etc.)

Over the past 24 hours they've gotten $5,000 if not more. Not a great amount, but it is picking up.

EDIT:
@Flogger, do we even know what kind of mod that was?

His favorite version of R6 was:

I guess I would lose both of your pledges, as I would say Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear w/Urban Operations and the NATO3.5 mod installed, playing Mission Pack: Deadly Protocol.

That was his response to someone who said they hoped his favorite R6 game should be Rogue Spear.

Third person would be for consoles, not for PC. Remember, the game will be done on PC first and ported to consoles if viable. PS3 is looking likely and the SOCOM members seem to want 3rd person in the PS3 version.

Investors will likely not have an affect on the final product. Though he is bringing on others from many impressive studios, which is nice. Clearly people who know how to make a game.

 

[Dwarden]

let's wish him luck ... never enough good tactical games

 

[Flogger23m]

They're going to update/polish their ideas and post them this weekend. New video, some artwork and music, and hopefully more clear outlines for what the game will feature.

If they fail (which seems likely) I think they might do another Kickstarter as the first attempt was rushed.

 

[Flogger23m]

He posted a new video and some updated text:

[url]http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/355932838/crowdsourced-hardcore-tactical-shooter[/URL]

He didn't mention some of the key aspects he went over in the forums, like pre-mission planning and other staples of the tactical shooter genre. But if you read some of his posts you'll see he is looking to make a spiritual SWAT 4/Raven Shield successor.

Only a few days left, though if you really want to see a proper tactical shooter that is PC based this is probably your only chance. If you pledge and they don't make the $200,000 goal then you get your money back. $15 gets you the full game at release.

The source crowded aspect is already working, as the music used was donated by fans of the project.

 

[Snuffeldjuret]

Sounds like a game I'd like to play =).

 

[Flogger23m]

Sounds like a game I'd like to play =).

As would I. They are half way there now. Made about $30,000 in the past 24 hours. If you really want to see it succeed pledge and spread the word. If you don't have the money to pledge, then just let your gaming friends know.

 

[Snuffeldjuret]

I don't have a credit card ^^.

 

[Flogger23m]

I don't have a credit card ^^.

That can be problematic. Only option I know of is to get a temporary prepaid card. They sell those "Visa gift cards" here in grocery stores and whatnot. They work just like credit cards. Might be an option to look into if you want to back the project.

 

[heady89]

He sounds like he has experience, and when I heard him say he started modding for Rogue Spear at first I was all "AWWRIGHT!" but when I heard him say he was lead designer for GRAW2 and worked on GR2, GRAW etc. I pretty much lost interest.
I really cannot stand those games, and I sure hope he does not count them among hardcore tactical shooters.
It makes me really doubt the kind of game he'd produce now. Otherwise I would have easily thrown a hundred bucks at it, even though I really need the money.
Not happening now though, not if I'm not sure that he's not just going to make another GRAW-style thing. Because that **** is not hardcore AT ALL.

EDIT:
I guess I'm just waiting for Ground Branch to pick up the pace again. When I last visited their forums a short while ago I read that Sonedecker was contemplating doing the same thing this guy is doing.
After that video I have infinitely more faith in Sonedecker and co than I have in this guy.

This has been the issue people being ignorant and failed to understand what is really going on. Sadly the project will trip just outside the goal line, and no he didn't count Graw as hardcore tactical shooter, the game was/is meant to be a spiritual sequel to the old rainbow six and swat 4.

The thing is you'll never see these kinda projects around again, we've been fed pretty much **** shen it comes to proper PC games and proper tactical shooters except for a few exceptions such as TWI games.

I guess i am offensive but sadly too many people think and handle it like you SIC and therefor the pre-funding won't reach its goal for this one. Besides 15-25$ is nothing for someone who has a job and wants to see something else than cod clones every year. I backed the project with 125$ , if i was rich i'd fund the whole damn thing, but sadly i'm not.