Because Insurgency's player base is currently really small compared to RO2/RS, and the game is still really early in its lifespan. The fact is, the forums are just a small, vocal minority of this player base. If TWI completely change the recoil and sway for the guns and sprinting, based on the request from a small percentage of the playerbase, who knows how the large, uninformed player base, who have been accustomed to these game mechanics for over a year now, will react.
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Because Insurgency's player base is currently really small compared to RO2/RS, and the game is still really early in its lifespan. The fact is, the forums are just a small, vocal minority of this player base. If TWI completely change the recoil and sway for the guns and sprinting, based on the request from a small percentage of the playerbase, who knows how the large, uninformed player base, who have been accustomed to these game mechanics for over a year now, will react.
Just curious, what game is that, where the devs listen to the player base? By that, I mean the player base must be united because if its not, then they obviously aren't listening to a part of it.
Serious question...
Gattocake answered this already. Also the quality product is not necessarily the most popular. I mean not everyone will enjoy reading Nietzsche nor is everyone capable of understanding it but if you do then you might draw more from it than a Mickey Mouse comic.
Classic is hard, yes even hardcore compared to Realism and that is not everyone's cup of tea. It might just be too hard and frustrating for most.
We try to get people into trying out Classic to show how RO can be played besides the arcade modes. If you or others do not like it that is absolutely fine with me. Why are you all taking offense in this?
I dont think anyone cares whether you like classic or not.. Its your constant demeaning insinuations about others that play different modes... just read what you wrote above. "It might just be too hard and frustrating for most."
You do this constantly and you wonder why people call you on it?? Get real man!
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Well we have had a North American Classic server up and running for just about 2 weeks now. And I can tell you that I have yet to see our small 20 man server fill up. There just is not the classic player base.
I personally like Classic over Realizm, but have no problem playing either game type. And truth be know, I would actually like to see a lot more weapon sway after someone has been running/sprinting, and a few other changes, but I know that most players like the Realizm settings.
A Action server will fill up over a Classic server any day of the week in N. America. The other night we had a group member buy the Standard game and was playing for the first time. I switched our server to Action (so he could get in) and in the first map we had 10-12 players join the server. Where before it was just our 5 group members.
What I'm trying to say is, for some reason Classic servers in N. America has no player base, and if it stays that way, Our server will be moving to either Custom running the Better Realizm mod and dibblers67 Sound mod, or just a plain Realizm server.
I personally like Classic over Realizm, but have no problem playing either game type. And truth be know, I would actually like to see a lot more weapon sway after someone has been running/sprinting, and a few other changes, but I know that most players like the Realizm settings.
A Action server will fill up over a Classic server any day of the week in N. America. The other night we had a group member buy the Standard game and was playing for the first time. I switched our server to Action (so he could get in) and in the first map we had 10-12 players join the server. Where before it was just our 5 group members.
What I'm trying to say is, for some reason Classic servers in N. America has no player base, and if it stays that way, Our server will be moving to either Custom running the Better Realizm mod and dibblers67 Sound mod, or just a plain Realizm server.
Insurgency's player base is small, but I have an much easier time finding populated Firefight games in INS than Classic games in RO2. Moreover, I always get good pings from the Firefight servers and typically bad pings from RO's few populated Classic servers.
If anything, its small size is a positive thing. You see the same people in-game as on the forums, and you get to game with the devs, so people get to know eachother and they try to get along.
Regarding the "uninformed player base", TWI's president John Gibson said himself that through the process of making HOS, they found that trying to please the COD fanbase was basically an exercise in futility, because no matter how far you go to bridge the gap, they'll still refuse to move on inch to adapt, and will just ask for more COD-like tweaks. Thus, the number of casual FPS fans who will cross over are just very limited.
Meanwhile, games like Arma and Dayz have managed to get tons of positive attention in the mainstream gaming media just for being themselves and not compromising to attract the COD crowd. After all, which is the bigger craze right now - Dayz or Killing Floor? Seperating yourself from the casual run-n-gun norm can serve to bolster your popularity rather than hurt it.
This is what TWI isn't getting when they plaster HOS and RS full of Call of Orchestra flavoring. I'm not convinced that they wouldn't have sold as many or more copies if Call of Orchestra had never entered the equation, and if HOS had shipped playing standard like Classic + Panzer Jager's mutator out of the box... because it's the indie/niche/realism audiences where their players are coming from, not COD and BF.
Fair question, I'm mainly talking about Insurgency 2. In my experience on the RO forums, the devs mostly ignore everything said, and in the rare instances they don't, I've seen them react as if the fans are all stupid and lock threads to get the last word in.
On the Insurgency forums, if you post good constructive criticism, they thank you for you feedback and invite you to discuss things with them further on Teamspeak. After debating with one of the devs about a particular weapon and then apologizing for being such a stubborn about it, he actually said "never apologize for making a big deal out of this stuff, because we want it to be a big deal." Insurgency's realism mode is being based directly on voice meetings between the devs and community members interested in realism...it's not just a bandaid fix shat out to keep people quiet.
Granted, there are inevitably people making unrealistic requests or asking for things which don't fit, but the devs there don't treat them like they're stupid. The devs try to explain their point of view and why they're doing things the way they are, and at least make people feel like their voice was heard even if they're not going to actually implement every single fan idea out there.
Yeah GnaM I agree with you about the smaller player base, it may be good for the devs (more money) but also may be negative for this game.
As for the mutator, I really hope it gets incorporated into the game, but I just don't see TWI doing it. Hopefully, server operators (looking at you 40-1) will run it.
As for the mutator, I really hope it gets incorporated into the game, but I just don't see TWI doing it. Hopefully, server operators (looking at you 40-1) will run it.
Well because it is harder and to start with more frustrating because of higher damage, more sway etc. That is a fact, no judgement in this. You need to learn to differ between these things.
If someone says it is too hard I will accept and think no less of them. Again it seems you have a problem not me. Get real man!
I will not answer to this anymore and this post actually shows that maybe you are right: Classic players are the elite. Your statement not mine. You choose to take offense where none is. Your choice
But if you still think that I am (or all Classic players are) elitists and better than you then it might just be true.
The sole Classic server (40-1) is gradually taking longer and longer to fill up, often well into the afternoon. I mean it's 5PM now and there's just bots in there.
Don't die on me RO... ;_;
I'm getting in, 6 players right now. Let's get it rolling.
Don't die on me RO... ;_;
I'm getting in, 6 players right now. Let's get it rolling.
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Yeah i went there to test it out today, and left it to 1 round since it was bots and couple humans only. It did go to favourites though so going to try again some another time.
yeah i went there to test it out today, and left it to 1 round since it was bots and couple humans only. It did go to favourites though so going to try again some another time.
Tonight! Men of RO2, meet me on the 40-1 classic server! 7pm sharp!
You know that Classic players have work, family, wives etc. Even if we'd like to play all day we just can't.
@Realism people. I know you have jobs etc. as well but let's be fair on average you are younger and a higher percentage of students and more followers.
It seems I need to say these things so nobody will feel offended ...
You only have to look at some of the posts on these "classic" topics to know why people aren't playing this mode.
Shame as mode itself isn't bad.
Shame as mode itself isn't bad.
If someone says it is too hard I will accept and think no less of them.
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Classic players are the elite.
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But if you still think that I am (or all Classic players are) elitists and better than you then it might just be true.
You call yourself elite but you don't think less of them? Mhh?
"I'm superior, but we are on the same level." ?
Gotta agree with most of it. I have played quite a bit of classic, but I'm not hooked. And that although I'm a tactical gamer at heart. Not sure what's up with all the cod bashing, there have been great tactical realism mods for cod 2, 4 and 5. i even played alot crouch only games. but still classic feels too slow compared to that.
I personally think that the squadleader spawn adds to the gameplay. maneuvering with a tight squad is really intense, not sure why soo many guys dislike it. on all the classic servers i have played so far, squad work was almost inexistent. maybe also due to the fact that the squads spread out too much and everybody is doing his own thing. i do not see this on decent realism servers most of the time.
another thing i also noticed is the attitude of classic players. i have seen these discussions almost all of the times i played classic. so i can affirm this.
Tbh I don't see the point in arguing. Classic mode (aswell as tactical realism) is a niche. therefor it's natural, that the servers aren't as populated as action servers for instance. It's personal preference. TWI included all these gamemodes to attract a wider player base for monetary reasons. and there is nothing wrong with it. but they delivered the tools to setup a server exactly like you want to have it. take it up to the server admins.
in the end you shouldn't blame TWI for the fact that a huge part of the playerbase simply doesn't like classic (and i don't think a different name for it will change that). rather than that go out and try to teach people how to play it that way, otherwise you won't change it.
Joseph! I thought better of you. You even quote me and then do a complete out of the blue interpretation of that. Oh and your Steam name is "Elite"? Willst mich wohl an der Nase rumfuehren Kollege?
Nice misunderstanding again! I gave up trying to fight being called an elitist so I just gave in to the ones that call me that. One came before the other. I don't think I am but if people want to call me that then I said: "Yes you are right" to take the wind out of their sails.
But seriously can we talk about the topic and stop this. You guys can call me whatever you want. To me it just shows how low your confidence is playing the arcade mode. Either you stand to your choice and state why you prefer it or just shut up please. It's you guys getting upset and feeling offended by every little thing. To me that just verifies whatever you are getting upset about. This is not a PC class!
And try reading properly first before posting and when making personal accusations please read everything and not just a small part and draw conclusions from that! You are actually verifying what you want to speak out against this way and it just makes you look silly.
Again I am not trying to offend any individuals here but making my personal statements. Agree or disagree but never take it personal. Discuss instead. That is what a forum is for!
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I love the weapon sway and the delayed "from-sprint-to-sight" thing, I also love the historical accurate loadout, the restricted HUD, higher recoil etc etc but there is one thing that keeps me miles away from playing the "normal" classic and that is the legendary sprint speed
It seems I can walk faster... and alot further than a well trained soldier from Stalingrad. I guess that's why some people want to call this mode "hardcore realism" ;o
custom classic ftw.
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Yes that is a big point to me. It is not a setting what allows a good and fair competition at all.
I have several friends that prefer Realism but they are at least honest about their choice. They tell me that Classic is too hard for them and they need to concentrate and work harder while Realism gives them an easy after work shooter entirely for fun and I do respect that. They remain my friends but they do understand my point of view as well.
And to all of you saying the Classic players are always whining even on the servers. It is just not true. Lately I have seen a bit of that but it still beats general behavior on any Realism server. I mean at least on the Classic servers you don't get called a mother***** or similar for shooting someone but rather receive a nice "Nice shot" or "good game" or "good defense Axis".
And Classic is less popular for several reasons, mainly:
-slow running speed (I agree to a 10% increase at least for the depleted stamina stage)
-more difficult gameplay (more damage, more sway etc.)
-not the default game mode and people generally eat what they are being served
I love the weapon sway and the delayed "from-sprint-to-sight" thing, I also love the historical accurate loadout, the restricted HUD, higher recoil etc etc but there is one thing that keeps me miles away from playing the "normal" classic and that is the legendary sprint speed
It seems I can walk faster... and alot further than a well trained soldier from Stalingrad. I guess that's why some people want to call this mode "hardcore realism" ;o
custom classic ftw.
See I can totally respect that and I'd be happy to play on a custom server with most Classic features but more running speed. I think most of the Classic players would not mind and hey I am flexible for changes.
This whole thread is to raise awareness that there is another playmode out there that people might enjoy more especially if they come from BF or COD and look for something more tactical and less hectic. We want to make Classic or Custom mode better and asking people to join.
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Come on, please, there is it again; Classic: the mode for the players who think they are better, and all other modes: arcade.
I like to play the mode that I like, for my personal reasons. I am so confident in playing it that I do not need to tell others how much more I like it, or that they are probably just easily frustrated. I don't know why, but that attitude can be read in this forum from many classic players, and I simply don't like that.
I for my part rarely play classic because I absolutely don't like the speed. I know how fast I could run with a MG3 (successor of the MG42). Even upstairs. And even through the woods.
And regarding the stated "fact" that classic is harder: that again is your personal opinion. Others may see it differently. I played classic sometimes because after a long day at work for me it was EASIER to play. Because it is slower, I did not need to be fully concentrated all the time and could rest my tired reflexes. And I still managed to get above average scores.