I agree, I hate it when everything is 100% equally balanced. It lacks humanity.
Yeah thats my impression, all the Soviet tanks either have thick armor or are like little tin cans.
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I agree, I hate it when everything is 100% equally balanced. It lacks humanity.
Yeah thats my impression, all the Soviet tanks either have thick armor or are like little tin cans.
Hello gentleman, its my first post here.
The T70 is a fun toy tank, cheap to mass produce and only need 2 crew members. But lately in the war the red army was removing theyr turrets and making self propeled anti tank guns, SU-76 and artilery tractors or apc of them. The PZ III was a classic workhorse, when the gun stoped being useful, they also made self propeled guns based on the chassis of pzIII.
That said i think both models are fun to play in support of infantry, for major tank on tank battles i would prefer the classic PZ IV versus T34 classic
The important thing is that there will be StuGs (SHTOOGH)
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Hey guys, I've been following this game for I think a year now.. It's hard to tell, but I loved red orchestra and can't wait for this game. I went out and picked up an issue of Pcgamer last night and the article was great. They loved the game, and it definitely built up my anticipation for this game a lot more.
The T34/76. Its complicated but weaponwise, assuming we get a P 3 J with a 50 mm L/60, anything soviet with a 76.2 mm L/41.2 such as the T34:
Armorwise, assuming we get a P 3 J with the 50+20 mm (70) frontal plate as many J were backfitted with them, anything with 70 mm or so of armor such as the T34:
The T34's slope does help it by deflecting the 50 mm L/60 round for the most part. Nevertheless, its turret front (@ > 500m) and glacis (@ > 100m) is still vulnerable to 50 mm L/60:
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I know exactly why they decided on the Panzer III and T-70.
The reason is because the next two armoured fighting vehicles on the list are the StuG III and SU-76. Both these vehicles are based on the Panzer III and T-70 chassis, respectively. Thus, when it comes time to include these vehicles, half the work will have already been done! This is the most logical conclusion.
The reason is because the next two armoured fighting vehicles on the list are the StuG III and SU-76. Both these vehicles are based on the Panzer III and T-70 chassis, respectively. Thus, when it comes time to include these vehicles, half the work will have already been done! This is the most logical conclusion.
That would be really cool, i love both models.
I just need to wear my raincoat when riding on a SU-76, unfortunately i dont think raincoats give suficient protection from mortar and sniper fire.
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On the overpowered auto-cannon: it had to be overpowered due to the less detailed damage model.
With ROHOS, a high RoF auto-cannon would be much more useful, as you can more easily take out the optics, turret ring, and gun on a larger tank. At this point, the closest thing we'll have in game for quickly damaging subsystems without penetrating armor would be the PTRS (what's a realistic RoF for this gun?).
As to the StuG and Su-76 ideas. We can only hope (though it makes sense). Right now, we only have confirmation of the release tanks, and T-70 + Panzer III J. I haven't heard of anything else down the pipe-line as far as AFVs go.
TRUTH!
Many of us started out with other (crap) games because we didn't know any better until somebody told us to go check out the good stuff. I found Ostfront when I was in a BF2 clan and one of the guys that played the original mod posted about Ostfront's release date in the forums. BF2 got uninstalled on my machine within 6 months because I needed disk space. I've tried to go back to it a few times since then, but it was too painful. Same with AA and COD. Now I just don't even pay attention to that stuff unless somebody that knows what they are talking about says it's good.
I agree, but for me it's a little different as I'm sure it is for everyone. I got into the whole tactical realism gig with cod2 mods, then eventually found and bought Ostfront. I'm not much of a call of duty fan any more, not cos it's not realistic enough just because they enjoy ****ting all over their fans and their pc gaming roots. I play games from starcraft 2 to bad company 2/ dragon age, etc. Even though Red orchestra 2 will take up A LOT of my life, it will not keep me from playing these other games.
Thought I'd would chime in here since I've been playing RO for as long as it's been around or at least in the URT mod form. I found RO when someone that was playing URT 2 said something about a cool new mod called RO. I thought what the heck is Red Orchestra? ...some music mod or something? Well, I was wrong, so wrong in fact but I'm glad I made that stupid comment to him when I did so I could see how this series has developed over the years from it's humble beginnings - as just a mod.
Funny thing is I was a subscriber to PCG for years since 2004 and last year I cancelled my subscription due to lack of interest. Not in PC gaming in general but in lack of quality of the magizine. I know they have gone through so many changes themselves with some of the original staff leaving and such and a few of my reviewers jumped ship.
Anyways, I hope and wish RO HOS all the success. These days, PC games are more console games than anything I can think of and I know that most of you will agree. The trouble is, in fact, the consoles and not the state of the PC. Sad but true. Money talks and *&^% walks.
I remember when the PC was the main platform, yeah Im old (35) or older than some of you guys here but now all I see is console port this console port that. I don't know really, where to turn now except from what I have known to be pleasing to me and that is good quality PC games. I have played lots and lots of them (can't even count all of them now) and not just online FPS neither. Actually, I'm more of a turn based/real time strategy gamer than anything. Remember a Bridge to Far and Combat Mission - Barbarossa to Berlin? Those games got me into all this mess... oh, and Lucus Arts Outlaws - I know it's funny but that was a fun game for me. Also the Age of Empires series. But getting back to what I'm trying to relate to ya all.
I know all about the hype around COD BO. I have owned every COD since COD 1 came out in 2004. I love WWII games even though many of these newer FPS gamers seem to think they are old news for old grandpa's. But to me, there has not been a war since that has even come close to the scale and destruction of WWII and, I pray, that there never is one again but personally, I think that it's just a matter of time before someone hits that red button.
COD to me, is not even in the same ball park as RO and never has been. The maps for one, are way too small even when it was only on the PC. The bunny problems (to avoid getitng shot) and then the hacking just made my stomach turn just like Hitlers when he attacked at Kursk in 1943. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with players prefering one FPS over another caus we all have our likes and dislikes. I respect that. I don't like it when someone tries to correct me even though I need it sometimes.
But, I think for PC gamers we need to ban together as a platform and not a genre and speak up for games like this or we may not have a platform left in a few years. I don't mean the PC is dying kind of thing but I do mean that the great quality PC games are a dying breed no matter what genre they are in. I don't care what console players say though, the consoles will never out preform a high end gaming PC built with the latest tech. And they say PC is more of a hobby than a past time well, they might be right about that one but I'd rather sink money into a great PC that I can tweek and upgrade to my hearts content, use it for many other non-gaming related activities besides surfing the internet and downloading music and more games than to be stuck with a static console tower that will only be used for gaming by most people and that won't get any better preformance until the next updated version comes out. I'm not talking about upgrading console RAM or Cores netiher. Oh, and PC games like strategy games and even simulators will never be any better on a console than on a PC if they could ever be even equal. Just look at FSX.
Last words are, good luck TWI. I've seen you grow from a mod team to this and I wish you guys the best!
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Funny thing is I was a subscriber to PCG for years since 2004 and last year I cancelled my subscription due to lack of interest. Not in PC gaming in general but in lack of quality of the magizine. I know they have gone through so many changes themselves with some of the original staff leaving and such and a few of my reviewers jumped ship.
Anyways, I hope and wish RO HOS all the success. These days, PC games are more console games than anything I can think of and I know that most of you will agree. The trouble is, in fact, the consoles and not the state of the PC. Sad but true. Money talks and *&^% walks.
I remember when the PC was the main platform, yeah Im old (35) or older than some of you guys here but now all I see is console port this console port that. I don't know really, where to turn now except from what I have known to be pleasing to me and that is good quality PC games. I have played lots and lots of them (can't even count all of them now) and not just online FPS neither. Actually, I'm more of a turn based/real time strategy gamer than anything. Remember a Bridge to Far and Combat Mission - Barbarossa to Berlin? Those games got me into all this mess... oh, and Lucus Arts Outlaws - I know it's funny but that was a fun game for me. Also the Age of Empires series. But getting back to what I'm trying to relate to ya all.
I know all about the hype around COD BO. I have owned every COD since COD 1 came out in 2004. I love WWII games even though many of these newer FPS gamers seem to think they are old news for old grandpa's. But to me, there has not been a war since that has even come close to the scale and destruction of WWII and, I pray, that there never is one again but personally, I think that it's just a matter of time before someone hits that red button.
COD to me, is not even in the same ball park as RO and never has been. The maps for one, are way too small even when it was only on the PC. The bunny problems (to avoid getitng shot) and then the hacking just made my stomach turn just like Hitlers when he attacked at Kursk in 1943. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with players prefering one FPS over another caus we all have our likes and dislikes. I respect that. I don't like it when someone tries to correct me even though I need it sometimes.
But, I think for PC gamers we need to ban together as a platform and not a genre and speak up for games like this or we may not have a platform left in a few years. I don't mean the PC is dying kind of thing but I do mean that the great quality PC games are a dying breed no matter what genre they are in. I don't care what console players say though, the consoles will never out preform a high end gaming PC built with the latest tech. And they say PC is more of a hobby than a past time well, they might be right about that one but I'd rather sink money into a great PC that I can tweek and upgrade to my hearts content, use it for many other non-gaming related activities besides surfing the internet and downloading music and more games than to be stuck with a static console tower that will only be used for gaming by most people and that won't get any better preformance until the next updated version comes out. I'm not talking about upgrading console RAM or Cores netiher. Oh, and PC games like strategy games and even simulators will never be any better on a console than on a PC if they could ever be even equal. Just look at FSX.
Last words are, good luck TWI. I've seen you grow from a mod team to this and I wish you guys the best!
By a Obvious Fan Boy
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I am very much a fan of the WWII era games. I also was a fan of FPS for many years but my eyesight and reflexes have gone down hill as I am 46.
My entrance to the online FPS games was Battlefield 2. There were 3 very powerful elements to this game; the shear magnitude of the maps (when I 1st played Kubra Dam I was overwhelmed), the multitude of weaponry and machinery, and most importantly the easy tie in to team play. Where this game ultimately failed was in how the game was exploited with bunny hopping, car bombing, C4 jumping etc...
It appears that RO2 will capture all these elements, removes most of the detractions, and add a solid dose of realism. This ultimately will push me back into the FPS genre.
I have otherwise been playing WWII RTS games such as Theatre of War because it does not require as much emphasis on eyesight and reflexes.
I have been eyeing this forum for a long time in anticipation of this game's release. There was a recommendation in this thread to support this game by purchasing the January issue of PC Gamer.
I bought the PC Gamer magazine yesterday and besides the sticker shock for a magazine I was very much impressed by the coverage of RO2. It appears this game will be extremely realistic in many regards with quite a few innovative approaches.
I just wanted to chime in as a person who will come back to FPS because of how this game will re-establish the possibilities which are possible with the PC and make the battlefield a more immersive experience.
My entrance to the online FPS games was Battlefield 2. There were 3 very powerful elements to this game; the shear magnitude of the maps (when I 1st played Kubra Dam I was overwhelmed), the multitude of weaponry and machinery, and most importantly the easy tie in to team play. Where this game ultimately failed was in how the game was exploited with bunny hopping, car bombing, C4 jumping etc...
It appears that RO2 will capture all these elements, removes most of the detractions, and add a solid dose of realism. This ultimately will push me back into the FPS genre.
I have otherwise been playing WWII RTS games such as Theatre of War because it does not require as much emphasis on eyesight and reflexes.
I have been eyeing this forum for a long time in anticipation of this game's release. There was a recommendation in this thread to support this game by purchasing the January issue of PC Gamer.
I bought the PC Gamer magazine yesterday and besides the sticker shock for a magazine I was very much impressed by the coverage of RO2. It appears this game will be extremely realistic in many regards with quite a few innovative approaches.
I just wanted to chime in as a person who will come back to FPS because of how this game will re-establish the possibilities which are possible with the PC and make the battlefield a more immersive experience.
No I have not. I've been staying away from FPS type games lately. I did buy Operation Flashpoint a while back but did not really get very deep with the game.
With your question I will have to do a little study to see what it does have to offer. I imagine that this game has a lot to offer from the realism perspective.
I am most anxious for RO2 of course.
^the point with games like arma and, as i found with RO (and hopefully will with it's sequel), was that playing intellegently and somewhat realistically compensates massively for shortcomings of reflexes and mouse control.
My reflexes aren't terrible but certainly aren't what they were and besides i like to relax when i play nowadays.
I don't do that 'wired tight and disappearing into the monitor' thing anymore, like the unreal tournament days.
So i found i was a relatively better player at RO than i was at other games online at that time.
BTW if you still have Battelfield 2 maybe install the Project reality mod - it certainly rewards a relaxed, deliberate thoughtful approach.
My reflexes aren't terrible but certainly aren't what they were and besides i like to relax when i play nowadays.
I don't do that 'wired tight and disappearing into the monitor' thing anymore, like the unreal tournament days.
So i found i was a relatively better player at RO than i was at other games online at that time.
BTW if you still have Battelfield 2 maybe install the Project reality mod - it certainly rewards a relaxed, deliberate thoughtful approach.
Bah, it's nothing like counter-strike. In RO some guy can be spraying wildly at you with his mp-40, and as long as you stay cool, collected, and take the time to aim, you can usually take him out no problem.