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Nallows

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i disagree with your thinking completely.

where are these pro player servers?
cause after 10+ years PC gaming ive never seen one.

and any cheater is a bad cheater and should be banned!
its that simple
Not to be an ***, but you probably have never seen these servers because you haven't been good enough. There are plenty of IRC channels playing PUGS all day, every day. Many games have servers dedicated to competition mods as well....
 

HellBilly

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Not to be an ***, but you probably have never seen these servers because you haven't been good enough.
held on to the #2 spot for TDM 6vs6 at twl forever with the EFF clan
for cod1 or 2 .. cant remember which
but ive had my fill of comp. play .. online atleast
and since i dont have cash to fly around the country that kind of limits it

but you might be right maybe im not .. but im alot better than the average and would not kick or ban someone for playing better than me
 

Atavax

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i disagree with your thinking completely.

where are these pro player servers?
cause after 10+ years PC gaming ive never seen one.

and any cheater is a bad cheater and should be banned!
its that simple


ok, in tf2, the drunken brawl has a 24 slot server with zero random crits, drunken brawl #2 and over half the regulars have competitive experience and its not uncommon to see past or current invite level tf2 players on the server...


the conversation is not about what type of people are cheaters, or what people that cheat deserve. The conversation is about improving the multiplayer functionality of the game. And as long as a cheater isn't hurting that, then they're not relevant to the discussion.
 

Atavax

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The sad part about your post is that you are willing to let cheating continue if the cheater doesn't stand out as "better" than the rest of the players.

There is no middle ground with cheating, if you do it beware. Even with VAC alone cheaters get banned, no second chances.

we should be concerned with making the multiplayer experience the best possible, not a personal vendetta against all cheaters.


2 possible false positives....not likely. If there is ever a true issue, Evenbalance has years of experience to differentiate between a cheat or a false positive.. Not even one false positive. The only people who make these claims are known cheaters.

both vac and pb obviously try to avoid false positives, it happens with both, using both of them approximately doubles the amount of false positives that will occur.


The excuses here about PB are trivial at best. If you want to play with a large community that is cheating you of a clean game then MW2 might be for you. Sorry, that's a VAC only game.

you are living in a delusional world where pb can eliminate cheating. It doesn't, there is no way to make a game hack proof. adding pb protection to vac isn't going to turn a hacker infested world into a clean one.
 
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Benway

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On the average pub server, how do cheaters harm the multiplayer of a game? they frustrate other gamers by dominating them. Good players can do the same thing.

LoL, No. Good players are always team-oriented, cheaters are useless.
But that might be down to different valuations what "good" is supposed to mean; on that note badges or stats whatsoever are meaningless.

The point was someone used the argument against relying on admins because admins will ban someone they suspect of cheating and lots of times the person isn't cheating.
That's why there are anti-cheat communities that will gather admins who learned their job. Who bans based on suspicion has no clue about admin basics (no comment really). We do get countless so called "reports", like: 'Randomname is cheating, ban plis', eventually accompanied by some nifty stats records, but our trashcan is HUGE.

My argument was that a good player dominating is just as destructive as a cheater dominating. That doesn't mean good players are bad for the game, but simply that good players should play on servers with other good players to avoid grieving worse players. If a cheater is cheating but is performing average for the server he is playing on, is he harming the community at all? i don't think so. You could make an argument at the competitive level, hurting the integrity of the competition, but short of the competitive level, a cheater that only does average does zero harm. What is a hundred times more important then catching as many cheaters as possible is creating fun communities full of similarly performing players. This multi cheat detection approach is destructive to that; not only because it doubles the false positives, but also because its likely the population will be split on their preferred anti cheat choices, its basically just as destructive as selling map packs.

My hardware and internet connection is good/fast enough, so i can leave all the malware in place, does zero harm.
If i would follow your misconceptions err logic, still the conclusion was simple: Cheaters should play in their own servers. I.e. servers without anti-cheat. That should be not a problem at all :p

(i do not hate cheaters. i ban them based on conclusive evidence. that is plain and simple. numbers are for idiots - see remark on stats - and cheat accusations are as lame as cheating itself)

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Just to add a personal note to another common misconception (the more the better i.e. "securer"): i do not run two or more Anti-virus 24/7. Reasons are obvious. I do have additional tools i will run on given occasions, but imo you have to make a choice in the first place. So imo choose either VAC (if it stayed on however that wouldn't make a big difference though :D so honestly, where is the issue?) or full feature pb plus streaming to one AC streaming service - simply choose the best for your needs.
"The more the better" is the same nonsense (the choice of the clueless) like "a little security is better than sod all"; No it isn't, what is required is a concept (includes: effort and decisions to make)
Spoiler!
 

Atavax

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LoL, No. Good players are always team-oriented, cheaters are useless.
But that might be down to different valuations what "good" is supposed to mean; on that note badges or stats whatsoever are meaningless.

right, i wasn't meaning "good" as in ideal, but i was basically comparing two hypothetical individuals, one that killed through hacks and one that kills equally effectively, and equally helping his team as the hacker, but without hacks.


That's why there are anti-cheat communities that will gather admins who learned their job. Who bans based on suspicion has no clue about admin basics (no comment really). We do get countless so called "reports", like: 'Randomname is cheating, ban plis', eventually accompanied by some nifty stats records, but our trashcan is HUGE.

I feel like you completely missed the point... ok lets say there is someone that is dominating a server. Everyone on the server thinks he's cheating, and all the anti cheating software thinks he isn't cheating. Lets assume the guy gets banned by an admin. You are thinking well, if the guy was cheating the admin was right to ban him and if the guy wasn't cheating the admin was wrong to ban him. But that is faulty thinking. When considering whether to ban the person. He should be looking at the effect the guy has on the server/community. The ban should be about helping the community, and not about weighing evidence for and against him being a hacker and trying to decide whether he actually was or wasn't hacking.

essentially you are thinking we need to ban cheaters because cheating is bad because cheating does "X" And i am saying you should be banning people for "X" whether there is evidence that they are cheating or not, because "X" is what we're trying to avoid by banning cheaters.
 
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HellBilly

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essentially you are thinking we need to ban cheaters because cheating is bad because cheating does "X" And i am saying you should be banning people for "X" whether there is evidence that they are cheating or not, because "X" is what we're trying to avoid by banning cheaters.

NUTS !!
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Unus Offa Unus Nex

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Atavax said:
essentially you are thinking we need to ban cheaters because cheating is bad because cheating does "X" And i am saying you should be banning people for "X" whether there is evidence that they are cheating or not, because "X" is what we're trying to avoid by banning cheaters.

You didn't do too good in math class, did you?
 

duhsveti

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essentially you are thinking we need to ban cheaters because cheating is bad because cheating does drugs And i am saying you should be banning people for drugs whether there is evidence that they are cheating or not, because drugs is what we're trying to avoid by banning cheaters.


hmm
nah still doesn't make sence
 

Palle

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I hate Punkbuster. Seriously i always have trouble with servers using punkbuster. Either its lag, or getting kicked all the time because it cant verify that i have it even though i do. VAC is cool, but punkbuster should get the heck out.
 
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Nuclear3D

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Cheaters for the most part are vile villainous creatures who take extreme pleasure in making everyone they play with want to basically quit playing videos games altogether. I played games that have no cheat protection and because of that the community for that game has left it almost completely. So what if vac sometimes acks goofy and pb can ack insane sometimes i rather have them with all there problems then have nothing.
 

HellBilly

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just went to reg. @ pbbans.com

this needs to be easier most ppl. wont go through the effort of a vaild email. ... i didnt .. but will if we get a server
theres a reason they sell 1 gal. jugs of milk at gas sation .. cause folks are lazy

i understand why a vaild email is required .. im sure the banned punks come out of the wood work. may i suggest one section in the pbbans forums for non vaild emails .. so the new guys to PB can ask questions

or maybe a PB section here on the TW forums so players can help other players with PB

i think this will help the new players out with PB

i know thats what this thread is for but its filled with spam and the average player will not read this 17 + pages
 
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SuperTaz

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just went to reg. @ pbbans.com

this needs to be easier most ppl. wont go through the effort of a vaild email. ... i didnt .. but will if we get a server
theres a reason they sell 1 gal. jugs of milk at gas sation .. cause folks are lazy

i understand why a vaild email is required .. im sure the banned punks come out of the wood work. may i suggest one section in the pbbans forums for non vaild emails .. so the new guys to PB can ask questions

or maybe a PB section here on the TW forums so players can help other players with PB

i think this will help the new players out with PB

i know thats what this thread is for but its filled with spam and the average player will not read this 17 + pages

There is a reason why we have email verification on our site. It is to make sure you are human and not a bot. :)

Are you a bot? :p
 

HellBilly

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sorry i should have been more clear
Do not use Hotmail, MSN or AOL E-Mail accounts to register

alot of guys are not gonna set up their email acounts with their ISP
i never did .. im lazy
but i will if we get a server ... or a web email to send screenshots

but alot of the the average pub players wont
 

Benway

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Jun 20, 2011
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sorry i should have been more clear

Do not use Hotmail, MSN or AOL E-Mail accounts to register
alot of guys are not gonna set up their email acounts with their ISP
i never did .. im lazy
but i will if we get a server ... or a web email to send screenshots

but alot of the the average pub players wont

Don't mix two things up: You can register as a member (unless hotmail etc. filters the validation eMail as spam, it happens ... frequently); on the other hand "Streaming Application Requirements" are in place for reasons and will not be discussed. Even less on third party forums.
 
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MaydaX

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sorry i should have been more clear


alot of guys are not gonna set up their email acounts with their ISP
i never did .. im lazy
but i will if we get a server ... or a web email to send screenshots

but alot of the the average pub players wont

I changed that to

Notice for Hotmail, MSN or AOL E-Mail users!

All mail sent from our mail server ends up in the junk folder for hotmail and sometimes doesn't even get delivered at all. That's why we don't recommend people use it on our site.

As benway said we don't allow free emails for people who want to stream. That doesn't apply to regular users that wish to signup.