Out of interest: were mg users trained to fire on the move?

[TheRealGunther]

I don't have a problem with hip firing....I have a problem with running around while the weapon is at the hip and firing.

C'mon, solders didn't run around with the LMG at the ready hip fire position the whole time and run while shooting the weapon accuractly.

Yes, it's realistic to shoot from the hip standing still. I get that...you could probably manage to even hit targets like that.....but not while running.

You should drop to a walk while firing.

I carried the SAW (5.56 much less kick than a 30 cal) a couple times on missions in Iraq,there's no F'ing way in hell I could run at a decent speed and shoot and actually hit a person farther than 3 feet away.

EVen so, even if it is possable, it doesn't make good for game play in my opinion. LMG should have a specific role, not a assault role.

Vote "Start walking when firing a LMG" for 2012

Best post of the thread

1.Never believe Hollywood
2.Never Listen to armchair Generals
3.Take it from a man who knows
4.Respect servicemen doing their duty(and buy them beer)

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

Best post of the thread

1.Never believe Hollywood
2.Never Listen to armchair Generals
3.Take it from a man who knows
4.Respect servicemen doing their duty(and buy them beer)

Just to be devil's advocate, Different Era, Different Weapon, Different Tactics, Different Ballistics, Different Rate of Fire.... I'm not saying what he said is wrong, but I wouldn't account his claims & experience as biblical to what really happened or didn't happen in WWII with German/Soviet Training, Tactics, MG34 or DP28.... which is what was originally asked for, isn't it??

The "Man Who Knows" knows his own experience while in Iraq, using a specific weapon with specific training & tactics.

I'm all for the accuracy of the MG's in RO2 being greatly reduced while standing and/or moving (but keeping crouching/prone as it is, since you're already slow in those positions) but let's try and base the parameters on something a bit more accurate besides subjective interpretation from different variables.

 

[Floyd]

Just to be devil's advocate, Different Era, Different Weapon, Different Tactics, Different Ballistics, Different Rate of Fire.... I'm not saying what he said is wrong, but I wouldn't account his claims & experience as biblical to what really happened or didn't happen in WWII with German/Soviet Training, Tactics, MG34 or DP28.... which is what was originally asked for, isn't it??

The "Man Who Knows" knows his own experience while in Iraq, using a specific weapon with specific training & tactics.

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Seriously?
Well, we could ask other WWII vets, but they are really few and far between. Dad was in Korea, but he died about 10 years ago. Then there is Vietnam, but certainly no point in going there because arm chair generals (as TheRealGunther puts) would clearly point out that they've seen it on youtube and I don't know what I'm talking about. So much experience in these forums that never bothers to open its mouth. Why bother? Its more entertaining to sit back and smile at those "in the know".



And I'll quote myself:

Well, I guess if when you died in the game, you had to uninstall the game and never play again, then perhaps allowing anything and everything you could possibly do in real life would be a valid arguement. .

The problem is not that you could do it in real life. The problem is that it becomes ludicrous when a particular tactic is abused to the point of becoming unreal and bordering on exploitation.

I haven't read every post in this thread, but I did read from active (or retired) military. Yet youtubes take precedent over hands on experience.

Its hard for hands-on to compete with youtube experience....

 

[hockeywarrior]

Just a quick TWI forums history lesson for some of you:

The outrageous hipfiring abilities of LMG gunners has been discussed hundreds of times on this forum. In fact, this issue has been a point of consensus for much of the community since last July in the pre-release beta, and yet nothing (I repeat, NOTHING) has been done to resolve it. Not even a hint of it being a problem at all has been raised by the developers. Perhaps now that TWI has started to listen on glaring issues with RO2's gameplay (by implementing RO Classic and other things), maybe we'll finally get this retarded gameplay flaw out of RO2 once and for all.

Even so, until I see developer responses to confirm this hope, all reasonable discussion on this topic is pointless, just as it has been in the past. I hate to be so cynical, but I have little reason to be otherwise! Maybe TWI's recent trend of listening the community will extend to this problem being finally fixed, but until I see evidence of it changing I'll continue to remain skeptical.

 

[Oldih]

Well everything's possible if you just have the right conditions or abnormal situation to do so. Like carrying six machineguns, or dragging 100 pounds of ammunition with your feet, or handstanding with three M72s hanging on your legs, or drifting with an aircraft on the runway, or backflipping\catwheeling with medieval armour, or taking such good **** of epic proportions your heart stops, or enjoying BDSM with a grizzly bear while you do all of the above underwater, or take AP shot through your guts and still march on RAMMING SPEED f

 

[Nikita]

One of the best things about WW2 is how "unrealistic" it is, its is very possible to use a LMG from the hip even if you untrained to use it and there is this famous example:

If that does that does not seem awesome here is the same scene playing played by Murphy himself:
To hell and back - YouTube

Multiple problems with that clip you showed.

First, US soldiers were trained to recognize and instructed on how to operate enemy weaponry. They did not fire the weapons in training, but they were familiar with their use and function. In Murphy's autobiography, upon which the movie is based, he states clearly that he was able to assess the weapon's condition and determine that it was in working order.

Second, Murphy's autobiography presents a subtly different view of the engagement. The machine gun nest he cleared with his hipfiring MG-42 was concentrating on friendly forces downhill, and Murphy remembers having time to leisurely take careful aim before killing them. Meaning that he was stationary.

 

[LordKhaine]

It should be like in RO1.

Fine in theory. But the reality better not be like RO1. Even overlooking the hilariously over the top and unrealistic recoil hipped mgs had in RO1... the deploy time was so long any mg'er would typically be long dead before they could prepare the mg.

The way the MG works in RO2 is flawed, no question about that. But at the same time it's still better than it was in RO1. The ideal lies between RO1 and RO2.

 

[captain pain]

Fine in theory. But the reality better not be like RO1. Even overlooking the hilariously over the top and unrealistic recoil hipped mgs had in RO1... the deploy time was so long any mg'er would typically be long dead before they could prepare the mg.

The way the MG works in RO2 is flawed, no question about that. But at the same time it's still better than it was in RO1. The ideal lies between RO1 and RO2.

The weapons are already snappier to respond in RO2, so I assume any implementation of the RO1-style MG readying feature would be equally more-snappy. I think that's probably what most people would expect, too.