Operation Gardening

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Yoshiro

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Hello all. I am creating this thread as a warning of sorts. Hopefully you will understand why and appreciate new directive I have given the moderator team. (And posting it here in the General KF section as it is the most in need of it at this time).

Over the past year since the release of KF and news of RO:HoS we have gained many new forum users. This is a good thing. But bear in mind that even with the current growth, the users present are only a small fraction of current Tripwire game owners. Being as this is, the community is also filled with those who feel most passionately about our games. However with this swell in users we have also gained "undesirables". Mainly these users are called Trolls but some other labels can apply. Basically these are users who create problems for other forum users and keep the forum from being enjoyable for all.

In an effort to curb this behavior, I have asked the moderators to help weed out this element from the forums. I have instructed them to step up handing out warnings from Trolling. This is to help ensure that the community “gets the message” that we won’t tolerate this sort of behavior and want an environment where all our users and potential users may express their likes and dislikes in a civil environment.

So what will get you targeted? Being an outright troll, being a non outright troll, being aggressively argumentative, being unhelpful (if you can’t add anything helpful, don’t add anything at all), backseat moderation (let the mods do their job, help them out by reporting posts). Now don’t be surprised if you get a warning. I have instructed them to be fairly aggressive in warnings. Just take that as a note about your posting habits and adjust accordingly. Learn to engage your brain before posting. Go ahead and have different view points, keep in mind that not all will agree with you and others on these forums can be just as passionate as you with the opposite view point.

Thank you for your cooperation and helping keep the Tripwire forums a civil place for conversation about the games we love. If you don’t think you can, there are other places on the internet more suited for your posts.

(And for those with the thought that they are too important to have actions taken against them, others have held that opinion as well who are no longer with us or are just returning for lengthy vacations from the forums)
 

dextronaut

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have the forums been that bad to the point where they need, "aggressive moderation"?? a little blown out of proportion but ok. its the internet so theres going to be disagreements, but honestly ive never seen these forums get to the point of needing an all out war on trolls.
 

Yoshiro

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It isn't an all out war, just a little spring gardening. What I see happening is users getting warnings for being out of line and wondering what is going on. This post is sort of a pre emptive answer. No the forums are not in the gutters, but on the same hand they aren't as friendly and inviting as they used to be. Some users are pushing boundaries that should not be crossed.

No you don't have to hug and sing songs, you can outright hate each other for all I care, just do it somewhere else.
 

dextronaut

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It isn't an all out war, just a little spring gardening. What I see happening is users getting warnings for being out of line and wondering what is going on. This post is sort of a pre emptive answer. No the forums are not in the gutters, but on the same hand they aren't as overall friendly as they used to be.

ty for reply i can kinda see what you mean. things arent in the gutters, but its not quite heaven either.
 

9_6

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...being a non outright troll, being aggressively argumentative...
So basically, everyone is a potential target if their post is interpreted as "aggressively argumentative" or "just made to stir up arguments (aka trolling)"?
Sounds pretty arbitrary to me.
 

HodlPu

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So basically, everyone is a potential target if their post is interpreted as "aggressively argumentative" or "just made to stir up arguments (aka trolling)"?
Sounds pretty arbitrary to me.

I'm sure they won't go overboard with the warnings. I mean there is a fine difference between someone who's strong about their opinion, argues aggressively, but in a civil way (e.g., a forum members who is always trying to provide evidence for their reasoning no matter how many people disagree) vs. a down right hostile, arrogant, snob who won't shut up.

Aggressively argumentative could mean several things on certain levels, and I'm sure TWI knows the proper targets.

OFF TOPIC: I edited my post, and instead of a "Save" button, it said "Vote now." Just thought I'd say that randomly :p
 
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ScarFace

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I've been with the forums for sometime now and personally I haven't noticed anything "that bad". With that said, its not my forum so feel free to monitor as you see fit but as stated above it does seem a bit arbitrary.

I think people learn best by example. Perhaps if a sample post/thread were shared showing what you consider over the line it would help?! As stated above you keep them as evidence.
 
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fiftyone

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I am pleased !
I will respect my fellow forum goers and try not to state silly statements :D.

This is the first time I've "looked in here" for a couple of weeks, can you believe it ?
 

izak

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Forums trolls (or label them another way) should burn in hell... Or at least be exported to Australia.

Go Brits!
 

izak

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in all fairness and attempted objectivity, i have had two warnings. one was clearly deserved, the other wasn't even close.

perception is a fickle creature. It can easily go both ways. As a former forum moderator, i can tell you that anyone who thinks they have 100% correct perception on a post is a total fool.

But having been in those shoes i cant find any real fault with it, other then on a case by case basis.
 

Zetsumei

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With many people from many different countries. Some jokes or not agressively intended posts can always appear aggressive from a different perspective.

I guess if people feel insulted by some post or think someone went too far they actually go and report a post. And that is probably the main pushing factor for handing out warnings. Atleast it generally is in most places.

Warnings in no way have to be a bad thing per se, its not a ban, but it can help in pointing out to someone that a certain trait is undesirable. I've gotten plenty of warnings myself, and disagree with plenty of reasons i've gotten them for, however i have not been banned once. Its usually a continuation of an undesirable action that gets people truly shafted, and every person can avoid that if they are not a true troll.

Even when covered up with facts sometimes within arguments people try to downplay other people personally or make fun of someone for making a stupid suggestion. With as many different cultures around people can respond completely different.
 
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SMIFF

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I could spend all day listing British places nobody wants to be:

Brimingham
Newcastle
Glasgow
Norfolk
Wales
John O'Groats
Cornwall (It gves you cancer)
[Fades out]

birmingham at the top of the list.....lol thanks

iv been banned before :p
 

-[SiN]-bswearer

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arguing isn't always a bad thing. it's only when people digress to shouting, name calling, flaming, cursing and insulting that it becomes a problem. forums exist so that people can carry on logical, civil discussions and sometimes that includes some arguing about things every once in a while. however blaitant trolling and abuse should never be tolerated. it's usually pretty obvious whether something was said maliciously or not. even though there hasn't been that many threads getting "out of control" there have been a lot of threads pushing the limits to crossing that line, at least recently. quicker and more aboundant warnings should help keep things calm.

although, i do hope that these warnings are given out more instead of what's been recently seen with immediate infractions and bans......espcially considering the extent of some of the "violations". i agree that warnings should show an abusive trend, although if there aren't any warnings, what trend is there? granted you get those rediculous posts every now in then, but those are really rare cases. just a little more consistancy is what i ask :)
 
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