OMG! Solution is WORSE than the Problem!

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mattlach

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You guys are right. I came across a little bit strong above. I ha a rough day and then sat down to unwind at my computer and the sound fade outs just pissed me of even more to the point where I said some not so nice things. For that I apologize.

That being said it doesn't change the fact that the solution is worse than the problem in this case, and if they are going to do something like this we really ought to have an option to disable it for headphone use.

Also I partially agree with whomever above said that having a little feedback over radio is perfectly realistic :p
 

mattlach

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Better to mute voice chat in-game and use teamspeak. Simple as that.

When did teamspeak become so popular?

I had never heard of it until just recently.

Back in the day when I was running my servers (~2000 to 2005) everyone seemed to use Ventrilo or in game voip, but I had never heard of Teamspeak.

Anyway I agree Teamspeak is very nice, but the problem is that you have to install a separate client, and set up a separate server for it to work.

This is perfect for a clan match, but in a pub it is kind of useless. Most people are never going to bother going through the hassle of downloading and installing a separate client.
 

CrossTrain

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We're becoming such a lovely community.

I've been saying for months that this community is more likely to kill the game than the game itself. This is an absolutely predictable state of events around here. Whether someone has even a constructive positive OR negative post they are ripped within several post and then the entire thread goes down the crapper...

Pitiful really.
 

The_Cook

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The speakers in and of themselves don't make for idiots. People who use a microphone to communicate while playing using speakers are at the very least technologically challenged if not outright dumb. (That is, unless they are just morons who don't care if they ruin the experience for everyone else.

Are you seriously saying you don't have any headphones in your house? You don't need to "fork out a large amount of money"...

If you want to play with speakers and miss out on the level of situation awareness and sound position you get with headphones when playing an FPS game, then by all means do so, just don't use a mic while doing so.

It is absolutely obnoxious to ruin the game experience for everyone who is doing it right, just because some can't be bothered to not be asses.

I don't play with headphones cause my speakers have been tuned to my room. Gunfire isn't gunfire unless you can feel it in your chest with the whomp that only a subwoofer can give you. People who fork over $$$ for expensive headphones are idiots, when they can be putting that money toward a killer system. Headphones are for people who watch alot of internet porn.
 

mattlach

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I don't play with headphones cause my speakers have been tuned to my room. Gunfire isn't gunfire unless you can feel it in your chest with the whomp that only a subwoofer can give you. People who fork over $$$ for expensive headphones are idiots, when they can be putting that money toward a killer system. Headphones are for people who watch alot of internet porn.

You can get more volume with good speakers, but you can never get the same level of directional clarity and situational awareness, even with expensive "room tuned" studio monitors.
 
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mattlach

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That being said it doesn't change the fact that the solution is worse than the problem in this case, and if they are going to do something like this we really ought to have an option to disable it for headphone use.

Great, and now its gotten even worse.

Not only does it turn down the volume when I hit the chat button, but now there is some new bug that makes it stuck in the low setting until I restart the game.

I don't even know why I bother playing this buggy game anymore.
 

shaqism

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Das Bose

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I don't play with headphones cause my speakers have been tuned to my room. Gunfire isn't gunfire unless you can feel it in your chest with the whomp that only a subwoofer can give you. People who fork over $$$ for expensive headphones are idiots, when they can be putting that money toward a killer system. Headphones are for people who watch alot of internet porn.


Look, some people like Headphones and others prefer Speakers, neither group can be classed as idiots simply by their audio preference :rolleyes: Only an idiot would attempt to do so..
 
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Holy.Death

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The Cook - Some people aren't possible to understand others without headset (like me, hearing impared) and it's better for me to identify where the sound came from with headphones rather than with speakers. And it adds to the immersion for me. Not everyone is you to have the same priorities as you do. It doesn't make them idiots. However, people who call the others idiots because they don't do things the way someone else thinks they should do them... They are idiots.
 
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dazman76

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Wow, so we've reached an interesting conclusion with this thread it seems. People who use speakers instead of headphones, are idiots. Also, people who use headphones instead of speakers are idiots. What an intelligent bunch we must be :)

Me, I have two options. Initially, I used a very good headset with a mic for comms only, with the main audio coming out of my speakers. They're loud, but the mic excluded them in favour of my voice very effectively. I damaged that headset unfortunately, so now I use a Turtle Beach Z6A - full 5.1 surround, and really good subwoofers to boot. Everything RO2 does vibrates through my head and sounds AND feels amazing. No need for thump in chest, thump in head is just as effective.

So, my conclusion. If you feel that (1) people who use speakers are idiots or (2) people who use a headset are idiots - please pucker up, and prepare to make contact between your lips and my buttocks. Tovarish.
 

mattlach

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now I use a Turtle Beach Z6A - full 5.1 surround, and really good subwoofers to boot.

Sounds pretty nice, I've never used their products.

I personally use a set of Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro's driven by a Schiit Asgard amp off of the RCA outputs coming out of my Sound Blaster Titanium HD card. It's the best clarity I've ever experienced through any sound system.

I've tried various 5.1 solutions over the years (both speakers and headphones) and while I find them great for movies, I never thought they added much in games. I could usually tell directional sounds better through plain old regular stereo headphones. Though I must say that the positional audio in RO2 leaves me a little bit wanting. Directional sounds are much clearer in many other engines, the best of which is probably Valves Source engine.

Everything RO2 does vibrates through my head and sounds AND feels amazing. No need for thump in chest, thump in head is just as effective.

I feel like those who are expecting a bass thump from small arms fire have probably never heard a rifle being fired on a firing range. I find the sounds are typically much more realistic in games if I turn the bass way down. The small arms bass thump is an invention of Hollywood :p (the exception is possibly large caliber machine guns, which I have never heard up close in person)

So, my conclusion. If you feel that (1) people who use speakers are idiots or (2) people who use a headset are idiots - please pucker up, and prepare to make contact between your lips and my buttocks. Tovarish.

yeah, this is why I revised my statement to suggest that people who broacast their speaker sounds over voice comm are the ones messing things up, not those who use speakers in general.
 

MarioBava

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Great, and now its gotten even worse.

Not only does it turn down the volume when I hit the chat button, but now there is some new bug that makes it stuck in the low setting until I restart the game.

I don't even know why I bother playing this buggy game anymore.

I noticed you didn't mention whether you tried what I suggested or not.

Have you gone into Windows Start Menu/Control Panel/Sound/Communications tab, and checked the "Do Nothing" setting? I still feel like it is more likely than not that is your problem, not anything to do with the game or steam. What was happening for me is windows detects RO2's VOIP software as voice communications like it would if you got a call on Skype. It is defaulted to lower all non-voice sounds by 80%, if I recall, but the "do nothing" setting fixes this.
 

mattlach

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I noticed you didn't mention whether you tried what I suggested or not.

Have you gone into Windows Start Menu/Control Panel/Sound/Communications tab, and checked the "Do Nothing" setting? I still feel like it is more likely than not that is your problem, not anything to do with the game or steam. What was happening for me is windows detects RO2's VOIP software as voice communications like it would if you got a call on Skype. It is defaulted to lower all non-voice sounds by 80%, if I recall, but the "do nothing" setting fixes this.

Sorry, I missed your post.

I'll look at this when I get home.

It is kind of weird though. I assumed it was a game change that precipitated it, not a windows issue, because I have been playing RO2 since launch, and it didn't start behaving this way until Saturday...

I appreciate the suggestion, and will post back here if it works.
 

MarioBava

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Sorry, I missed your post.

I'll look at this when I get home.

It is kind of weird though. I assumed it was a game change that precipitated it, not a windows issue, because I have been playing RO2 since launch, and it didn't start behaving this way until Saturday...

I appreciate the suggestion, and will post back here if it works.

I hadn't noticed any change in the game, but I could be wrong, too. Good luck!
 

mattlach

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I hadn't noticed any change in the game, but I could be wrong, too. Good luck!

You were right, that solved it.

I am baffled - however - that after some 4 or 5 months of play Windows suddenly decided that RO2 was a VOIP program, after never treating it as such before.

It's not like I made any configuration changes either... :confused:

Anyway, I really appreciate your help!

--Matt